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We're not finished folks - not by a long shot!

Why it is NOT ok to vote for McCain

by: masslib

Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 07:43:39 AM EDT


Everyone owns their own vote, but I have to say if you vote for McCain, you are voting against the issues that lead you to Hillary. McCain may have stuck his neck out on a few issues that went against his Party orthodoxy a few times, but notice his central criticism of Obama, that Obama didn't stick his neck out against the Democrats. Frankly, going along with the Democrats on a few sparse issues isn't enough for me. I think think the Democrats are right at 95% of the time, and even when they are wrong, Republicans, at least for the last several years, are not right.
masslib :: Why it is NOT ok to vote for McCain

McCain may model himself as a "reformer" but he's no Teddy Roosevelt. This is a man who appeared in a gay-phobic ad in 2006 to ban marriage equality in his state. This is a man who as early as last year voted against universal access to rape kits. This is a man who continues to vote against the Violence Against Women Act. This is a man who won't support Hillary's Fair Paycheck Act. This is a man who has a dangerous attitude toward Iran. This is a man who is no friend to Democratic ideals.

Now maybe you are upset with "pork"spending.  Well, ok.  Let me tell you a little secret: Presidents can not dictate how Congress appropriates funds.  McCain has a better chance at controlling Pork as a Senator.  Also, please remember, not all Pork is bad.  Some goes to fund a school, a hospital, a shelter, a museum, etc..  But very little of our tax dollars actually go toward discretionary spending.  Most of our money goes to Defense, Medicare, and Social Security.  And, if you supported Hillary because of health care, McCain's plans for Medicare should send a chill up your spine.

So if you can not support Obama, fine.  Find another candidate.  Just not McCain.  I've read alot of delusion out there.  My favorite is McCain will let Hillary craft health care legislation.  No, he won't.  McCain is a conservative republican.  Just remember, it's only eight years.  Then we will be picking another candidate.  This election, given the economy, was custom made for Hillary.  And, it's absurd that she is not our candidate.  But she is not on the ballot in '08.  So take stock of your remaining choices and choose wisely.

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Why it is NOT ok to vote for McCain | 82 comments
I can't believe this (0.00 / 0)
I really can't believe this. You've been drinking some serious Kool-Aid, it appears. Your reasoning is disingenuous and completely ignores the whole history of what has happened in the primary, and with the DNC, and why PUMA even exists.

First off, this line:

I have to say if you vote for McCain, you are voting against the issues that lead you to Hillary

is straight out of the Obama Troll Handbook, Volume One, page one. Didn't you notice that it didn't work when they tried it? Why do you think it would work now?

Second, if this were about "issues" strictly, there would be little debate. Most PUMAs and other Hillary supporters would have voted for any--ANY--of the Dem candidates IF...and this is the central IF...the primary had been won and lost fairly.

It WASN'T. This isn't about issues--which, in any case, Obama is lousy on. (You want to talk abortion? Tell me about Cass Sunstein and Doug Kmiec. Look them up if you have to.) This is primarily about the hijacking of democratic principles, and of Democratic party principles. I'm sorry that the outrage and justifiable anger have not kept your resolve hard enough to vote against Obama, and that you have given into the Obot blandishments. That is your choice.

But for those of us who do remember, and who refuse to forget and "move on" because forgetting and moving on means denying the very core of what democracy is, well, our choice is to vote against Obama. And that could very  well mean voting for McCain.  

I'm not driking any kool-aid. (0.00 / 0)
I'm still considering just skipping vote day.  But when I read about McCain's plans for health care, commonsense kicks in.  You could vote Green, or Libertarian, or Nader or just not vote.  But I do want to warn people against vote for McCain.  As a friend of mine once said, friends don't let friends vote republican.

Medicare for All is Civil Rights
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I'm married to a republican (0.00 / 0)
would that be okay with your friend? :p

I'm just not buying the McScary/McSame stories, but one needs to leave left leaning blogs, media and Olbermann worship talking points to be fully informed.  


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I don't believe in McScary either, but he's (0.00 / 0)
promoting some terrible ideas.  It was Riverdaughter who told me that.

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Not really (0.00 / 0)
I could just vote for McCain and begin the process of purging the Pods from the Dem Party.   Those who sleep turn into Pods.
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You're very right. (0.00 / 0)
Essentially, masslib is advocating 'not voting.'  The problem with that strategy is - it favors Obama.

In a swing state, such as mine, I have to commit one way or the other.  If I don't want Obama to win here, I have to vote for McCain (and vice versa).  Anything else is a waste and to me, the worst outcome would be that Obama wins and legitimizes the corruption of the DNC.

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she's advocating (0.00 / 0)
not voting for John McCain.  It's okay to vote for Barack, or some other candidate, or not vote.  A vote for McCain is a vote for everything Hillary is against.  And me.  

Hillary - alternative energy
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she's advocating (0.00 / 0)
not voting for John McCain.  It's okay to vote for Barack, or some other candidate, or not vote.  A vote for McCain is a vote for everything Hillary is against.  And me.  

Hillary - alternative energy
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After seeing all the false smears propagated (0.00 / 0)
against Clinton and Palin, I wish you'd included some links with your anti-McCain points.  Because Obama campaigned with gay-phobics when it suited him, isn't for gay marriage, is at best a fair-weather friend to women's issues, and has dangerous attitudes toward Afghanistan and Pakistan.  After the big Wall St. giveaway he'll be looking to cut spending and the Democrats in Congress will say no to nothing he proposes.  Think on that.

This is also the new Obama fan-base tpm of the day; if you can't persuade Clinton supporters to vote for The One, try to persuade them to vote third party or not at all.  But voting for McCain is a protest vote for most, not an issues-vote.  The premise of a protest vote is that it's not issues-related.

With the impending collapse of the economy, it's not about who you'll vote for (if you care about issues) next month but who you'll have the chance to vote for in 2012, because whoever is #44 and his party will get kicked out 4 years from now.  Wall St. is already making noises about 700b wasn't enough and the credit markets aren't budging.  Because the Democrats felt free to cheat, we'll all have to wait 4 years for a competent candidate who can lead the country out of a recession (if we're lucky) or a global depression.  The question is not whether you agree with McCain's policies now, it's whether you want to install his policies or worse for 8 or 12 or 16 years starting 4 years from now.  The vote against gay marriage, against women's equality, and against ending the war (or for starting new ones) has already been made for this year.

So take stock of your remaining choices and choose wisely.  

Here's the anti-gay ad: (0.00 / 0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Texan4hillary has been posting the other stuff.  Look, I am not saying vote for Obama.  McCain doesn't scare me.  But his ideas are extremely bad, and I don't think people should delude themselves that he's a moderate.  As I say, I may just take a vacation on election day.

Medicare for All is Civil Rights

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Well, voting McKinney (0.00 / 0)
I am voting McKinney but I live in a solid-blue state. For those who are in swing states the choice is different, they don't have that luxury. Voting third party is a vote for BO.

And trust me, I hate the GOP as fervently as anybody. I have voted in every single primary, city council, recorder of wills, you name -- every possible race I could have since I turned 18 (a loooooooong time ago) and only once in all that voting have I ever pulled the R lever. That was for a county council seat and it, too, was a protest vote. Sometimes you just have to do what your conscience dictates even if your stomach can't stand it.

Yes, I agree. I am not saying vote Obama. (0.00 / 0)
I may not even vote on election day.

Medicare for All is Civil Rights
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It is not voting for BO. (0.00 / 0)
This is not true. A vote not for BO, is a vote not for BO.  Sure, a vote for McCain is a vote not for BO and for his real rival. However, if you subscribe that the Nader vote essentially made Bush President (I believe it was a contributing factor and if enough of the 97,000+ Nader votes had voted for Gore, he would have carried FL), then it is a perfectly legitimate strategy, while also giving an option for someone who just can't pull that lever for the Repub.

PUMA is a big tent movement against Obama; each person makes their decision on how they will vote and any vote not for Obama is good.

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Or what Valhalla said (0.00 / 0)
 
The premise of a protest vote is that it's not issues-related.

What I meant to say, put more succintly :)

We are so screwed right now (0.00 / 0)
if McCain were just a little bit more flexible on economic issues, he would usher in the next administration with some confidence, and he'd be a pretty good leader through this economic crisis.

I have zero confidence in Obama and besides, his personality is gloomy and depressing. The economy needs a confident competent leader at the helm. Obama cannot share credit for ideas and will be a disaster. Four long years we'll have to listen to him throwing one person after another under the bus.

Like how he uses his "friends" for political gain? (0.00 / 0)
Wright, Rezko, Ayers?  All very much a part of his political and personal life....All under the bus now :(

Or is that "for now" ?  That's scary.

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and now John Glenn (0.00 / 0)

(and the other Keating Democrats) are under his bus too.  


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If Obama should win..... (0.00 / 0)
It's this serious:

.....If Obama should win, it will not be the returning of power to the Democratic Party.
Rather, it will be the triumph of leftist radicalism over classical liberalism....

This was a post I saw on HuffPo, and kids, we all know this is not the HuffPo, or DU, or Dkos or other kool aid soaked lefty blog/site we knew and loved a year ago.

Good grief....what has happened to the Democratic Party?


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"Leftist radicalism"?! (0.00 / 0)
Seriously? On what planet is centrist-right Obama considered a radical leftist?

I really want to know. Obama just is not a radical. Name one policy of his that is radical. Hell, I'd be supporting him if he actually were a bit more radical! But Hillary's policies are actually to the left of most of Obama's proposals. That's why I ended up backing Hillary.

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Obama speaks a good Leftist game (0.00 / 0)
but in actuality he is to the right of HRC on all issues.  
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Or throwing them in jail! (0.00 / 0)
Obama's disregard for free speech and dissent is frightening.  Democracy and the democratic process appear to be an inconvenience for him as it was for GWB.  I don't see McCain trying to quash dissent or threatening his detractors with incarceration.  That's the big difference when it comes to these two candidates.  
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Reminder: (0.00 / 0)

Senator Obama's campaign won the Democratic nomination for their guy by calling Hillary and Bill racists.

If you're voting Party and not the candidate, also remember this is the Party who threw out millions of its own votes (legally certified  votes) cast by its own registered Democrats.  If its issues you're concerned about, wouldn't this be the biggest "issue" of all?  We're talking fundamental democratic principles here.  It's Tea Party time.


I don't say vote Obama, I just suggest not attaching yourself to McCain. (0.00 / 0)


Medicare for All is Civil Rights
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Why? (0.00 / 0)
McCain is closer to Hillary than Obama on the issues, you betcha :)

I'll attach myself to my country first, thankyouverymuch :)

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That is false. (0.00 / 0)


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Why? (0.00 / 0)
Just give me one, ONE, clue/accomplishment that Obama is ready to be President.

Thanks!

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The falsehood is that McCain and Hillary are closer on the issues. (0.00 / 0)
This post isn't about Obama.  It's about McCain.

Medicare for All is Civil Rights
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Why? (0.00 / 0)
Shouldn't it be about Obama?  I trust McCain more, it's up to you to convince me otherwise....my vote goes tactical...McCain :)

One Obama accomplishment?  Just one..please...I want my party back :D

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I'm simply advocating voting against McCain, not (0.00 / 0)
voting for any other particular candidate.

Medicare for All is Civil Rights
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You're howling at the moon. (0.00 / 0)


Oh, have I mentioned I can't stand Obama?
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What's critcial (0.00 / 0)
is if you're living in a toss-up state, where a vote for a 3rd party candidate or a non-vote is a vote for the guy who won his party's nomination with a campaign which was calling the Clintons racists.  That and throwing millions of votes out.  This person will not get even half a vote from me.
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Don't be a jerk (0.00 / 0)
masslib.  Your title is contrary to Alegre's diary.

Remember, berating someone ('NOT ok' in your title) will not win that person over to your cause.

Masslib, you've disappointed me (0.00 / 0)
in this diary. You are treating protest voters as if we are completely ignorant and have no memory of why we are even at this point in the first place. Other commenters have stated our case, so I won't rehash what they have already said.

Mass, this diary dishonors your compatriots who have been in the trenches with you, supported you, had your back, and are now ready and willing to do what some cannot bring themselves to do in order to stop Obama, clean the party's house, and pave a path for Hillary in 2012. We are used to this kind of psychological warfare from blogger boyz and their girlz, but not from our fellow Hillary supporters who have walked a mile or two in the same shoes.

I'm more than disappointed, I'm hurt that you think so little of our shared cause and of us. I understand you feel strongly about this and have been voicing your feelings quiet strongly over the past two weeks. Even though I don't agree, I have supported you and been respectful of your thoughts and feelings.

As a lesbian, I am used to being marginalized, and in spite of it all, I still forgive those who choose to only see the worst in me. Is their no longer room for us all under Alegre's tent? Are the protest voters being marginalized yet again? Does our voice and vision not matter, our experience, our hopes? I still respect you antoo hard to be out and freed your choices, I wish that you respected us and ours.

I stand by what Heidi Li said,

I do not want my Party, the Democratic Party, to be defined by an intent to win elections by any means necessary; I want my Party to be able to win elections on the basis of truly democratic and historically Democratic intent.



Alice left me in Wonderland.  

Bad editing (0.00 / 0)
My last sentence should say "I still respect you and your choices, I wish that you respected us and ours."  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  
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I am not saying vote for Obama, but (0.00 / 0)
McCain is running as a conservative Republican.  I strongly warn against attaching yourself to him.  I'm more and more thinking of just vacationing on election day.  There are other candidates to vote for than either Obama or McCain.

Medicare for All is Civil Rights
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Come on (0.00 / 0)
Mass, I'm not "attaching myself to McCain" I'm clearing the path for Hillary in 2012, there is a big difference. I'm a big girl, I know what I'm doing.    

Alice left me in Wonderland.  
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I wish McCain beat Bush (0.00 / 0)
he's a moderate Republican.
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Well so do I, but but that's not here not there. (0.00 / 0)


Medicare for All is Civil Rights
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Can someone please explain (0.00 / 0)
to me how my comment is "unproductive". Better yet, maybe Anna Shane can explain to me why she feels my comment is "unproductive".  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  
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This is so important. The crux of it all. (0.00 / 0)
I stand by what Heidi Li said,

I do not want my Party, the Democratic Party, to be defined by an intent to win elections by any means necessary; I want my Party to be able to win elections on the basis of truly democratic and historically Democratic intent.


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Don't take it so personally, grl. (0.00 / 0)
It is a healthy exchange of ideas.
This is one way of looking at it.  You are still free to look at it differently.
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Sorry, it IS OK... (0.00 / 0)
...a hat-tip to Sarah Palin who prepped the first torpedo tube...and my visit to the PUMAs at McCain hdqtrs...

Two companion pieces up today....

McCain Fires 1st Torpedo at the Obama Garbage Scow Known as the "The Hope-y Smile-y Good Ship Lollipop"

IS THE TIDE TURNING? 10 THINGS YOU CAN DO TO HELP
by Grail Guardian

http://insightanalytical.wordp...

"If befriend donkey, expect to be kicked"--Charlie Chan

Obama does not deserve to be handed the White House. (0.00 / 0)
He has done nothing to prove or show that he deserves to win. He spent 143 days in the Senate before his run for President after he said he would not run.He has nothing to show for all his time in public office but 130 present votes and 5 or 6 wrong button votes. He has cheated and bullied his way to get ahead and never has had to work hard like the other candidates most notably Clinton and McCain.

He is fawned over and constantly given free passes by our media. He has had every thing handed to him on a silver platter. He has told so many lies and hurt so many good decent people. Every where he goes he causes pain and destruction.I think he is the most vile and corrupt politican that I have ever seen in my life. He makes my skin crawl. There is just something not quite right about this person.

I will never support him. My vote is going to McCain.For the first time in my life I will put country over party.I can live with my decision and will not feel dirty and guilty if I were to break down and vote for such a despicable candidate like Obama simply because he has a D after his name.Those days are over for me.

'never again' (0.00 / 0)
If you Never again want your vote to be left uncounted,
If you Never again want your voice to be drowned out
If you Never again want an accomplished woman treated as dirt
If you Never again want to hear death threats against you or your friends for your support of a woman candidate
If you Never again want an unqualified man stealing a position over a far better candidate
If you Never again want to be called a racist for legitimately pointing out someone's lies and deficiencies.
If you Never again want your blogs spammed by rude, screaming supporters
If you Never again want to be pushed out of your virtual and real homes

You HAVE to stand up for yourself now.
Voting McCain may be distasteful, but that is the ONLY way to make sure this Never happens again.

As George Santanya taught: "Those who forget the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them."

There is no way I can look at a vote for Mccain as standing up for (0.00 / 0)
myself.  It's more like judging myself into hell.
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Not me... (0.00 / 0)
Then again, I'm married to a war hero, circa VN/Beirut/GW1, I'll vote for a hero anyday over a blank.

Funny, blank is how we got Bush for 8 years?

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So voting for a sexist cheating racism-mongerer (0.00 / 0)
leaves you with self-respect. I don't get it.  
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I may or may not vote for Obama, depending on how (0.00 / 0)
things look at the time, but I am not so self destructive that I will vote for McCain.
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my vote is for McCain/Palin (0.00 / 0)
I am a feminist. I support women in politics and I am voting for women. Period. If Hillary was on a ticket, I'd vote for her. But she's not. At this point in time, my interests and hers have diverged.

But I'll vote for her happily in 2012. But for Obama, never.  

"There cannot be true democracy unless women's voices are heard" - Hillary Rodham Clinton

an oxymoron? (0.00 / 0)
I'm sure Hillary won't care if you vote for her in 12, if you let us all down by voting for McCain this time?  

Hillary - alternative energy
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I won't let Hillary down.... (0.00 / 0)
I own my vote and it goes to McPalin!

You do realize, if Obama wins, there will NOT be a Hillary in 2012.  She'll be jammed under that freakin' bus.  Obama for 8 years?

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You do realize that 4 years is a lifetime in politics, and we may (0.00 / 0)
not have Hillary in 4 years no matter what happens.  You are voting on a wing and a prayer hoping that the future turns out exactly as you would like it too.  We don't know if Hillary will want to run in 4 years.  We can't count on a week from now, let alone what will be happening in four years. Beside the fact that history doesn't show a probability that McCain would be just a one term president.  
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we can't count on surviving (0.00 / 0)
a sarah presidency and john's on his last legs it seems like. They both want to bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran.  

Hillary - alternative energy
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I already voted for McCain/Palin (0.00 / 0)
I am a Democrat. I don't want anyone questioning my values or beliefs just because our Party decided to nominate a fraud, a thief, a liar, a person with little conscience or morals.
I decided back in January that I could never ever vote for Barack Obama. That has not changed. My goal has become to defeat Obama. The best way to do that is to vote for McCain. Hopefully I can vote for a real Democrat if our Party chooses to nominate one in 2012. But I am not going to swallow the lies about McCain/Palin from Obamabots who think Obama is worthy of even stepping foot into the White House.  
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I'd be on board with this except for one thing (0.00 / 0)
And it's not to rehash the primary but Obama did make that now infamous statement during the primary that seems to reflect the attitude that still exists today.

Her supporters will vote for me, we don't know if my supporters will vote for her.  

That's a paraphrase of course, but the bottom line is this, and it does tend to transcend issues, or rather it's an issue in and of itself that people would be wise not to underestimate.

MY FUCKING SUPPORT IS TAKEN FOR GRANTED!!!!!!

Yeah.  I'm not going to vote of McCain.

I'll probably vote for Obama.

But I have respect for anyone who refuses to let themselves be taken for granted.  And to whatever length they feel they need to go to make sure they won't be taken for granted in the future, more power to them.

Obama and the DNC created this mess.

I'd be writing letters to them telling them how much is at stake and could they please stop taking lifetime Dem supporters for granted.

I'd do that before I made too too many declarations about what people should or should not do with their vote.

This isn't about Obama. It's about McCain. (0.00 / 0)
McCain is a jerk, and his proposals suck.  Vote against Obama if you must(and i am not even vote) but don't vote for another asshole who has spent a political career ignoring you, ya know?

Medicare for All is Civil Rights
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I don't think he's a jerk (0.00 / 0)
at all.

I know he's very flawed, but the jerk prize goes to Obama. No contest.

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In actuality (0.00 / 0)
McCain has done more -- albeit badly, insincerely, and almost to the point of insulting my intelligence -- but he he has done more to show me he values my vote (if only for purely politically motivated reasons) than Obama has done.
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McCain is NOT a jerk.... (0.00 / 0)
Geesh.  This is getting to be hard work.

NAME ONE ACCOMPLISHMENT BY BARRY!?

You can't, can you?  Therefore, I vote for America First, not the Obama scary scenarios.  Ewuuu.  I'm so afraid.

Thank you.

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I can't. I am not really an Obama person. (0.00 / 0)
You'll have to find someone else for that.

Medicare for All is Civil Rights
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That's fine. I respect your position.... (0.00 / 0)
...just don't tell me what mine should be.

I'm voting for McCain, because I want to keep the Clinton legacy intact, not smooshed up in Barry's World.

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Im voting for the future (0.00 / 0)
my candidate is not afraid to face challenges. His opponent is.
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you're feeling taken for granted? (0.00 / 0)
how about taken to the cleaners?  

Hillary - alternative energy
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How about you tell us how? (0.00 / 0)
Obama is a vision of HopeChangery?  How?  Good grief, just tell me how this guy is better than Bush?  

He's not.

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he's a democrat (0.00 / 0)
he's the top of our ticket. He will end wars, not start them.  He has Hillary's advisors and there are many great and brilliant Democrats who will be working with them. Bush is Sarah in drag, Barack is a normal person.  Go way with your pug talking points, go try to get McCain elected some other place.  

Hillary - alternative energy
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Sorry, this is not the year to vote Democratic.... (0.00 / 0)
The great and brilliant Democrats you speak of are the Old Guard who shoved and smashed the Clintons into the Jersey Walls of America.  Did you miss that?

Sarah's got more on the ball, she's a freakin' Governor and Barack is not a normal person, he stinks of DU and Dkos talking points. Euwwwwwwie.  But if you're ok with that, heaven help you and the blogs you post on. :)


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Like LBJ ended wars (0.00 / 0)
cause he had a 'D' next to his name.
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But... (0.00 / 0)
If you vote for him you have no leverage. I'm frankly tired of Democrats saying "well I hate everything Obama and the DNC have done but I'm going to vote for them and then hold their feet to the fire." That doesn't make sense. You're saying they've earned your vote by doing nothing, so what incentive do they have to change? What are you going to do, issue strongly worded letters? We know how effective those have been!

Not telling you how to vote, either, just saying that you can't have it both ways. You can't reward (vote for) people you feel abused you and expect them to change.  

Negotiating leverage = willingness to walk away (0.00 / 0)
Yep if you say I'll always vote for the Democrat, the Democrats won't work for your vote.
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masslin thanks much for saying this (0.00 / 0)
masslib thank u for your post. voting for mccain violates so much of principles. how an one for 18 months push for hillary, turn around and support mccain who didnt vote for the violence against women act and just last yr again voted against fed funding for rape kits. i will also vote. i will vote because of all those women who fought and died for sufferage. i will vote because my family came from europe whre they had no real rights at all. some were murdered at babi yar for being jews my grandmother-who cast ehr first vote for fdr for gov of ny, never missed an election. she is now gone but taught me never not vote. too many died for this sacred right. if you vote for mccain fine-but masslib and many others have a very vaild point about mccain. the prupose of a blog is to debate ideas freely. masslib is not trying to suffocate any view here. but she has an opinion worth hearing to me and many here.
The discussion in this thread can't be that much different than what (0.00 / 0)
it is like in the twilight zone.  There is more koolaid being swallowed here than I have ever seen close up in my lifetime, and it aint the anti-McCain people who are doing the swallowing.  Factcheck.org should be called in to check out all the wonderful claims about McCain.  It is actually getting pretty entertaining to see how easily McCains history can be twisted to resemble sainthood. I wonder if the pope knows how wonderful he is.
Didn't you say "just trust Obama"? (0.00 / 0)
That's a little hard to take - you advocate blind trust in a candidate. If you were merely voting for him that would be one thing. But no, blind trust.
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No. In fact, I didn't say anything about Obama at all. (0.00 / 0)
You may need some glasses.
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I'm voting for democracy. (0.00 / 0)
You know our beloved country has been around for a long time.  We have had good presidents, we have had ok presidents, and we have had bad presidents.  I am 50 years old and I have seen some of each of these groups.  Throughout my life I believed that we were a healthy and thriving democracy and we were ruled by the people.  In 2000 and 2004, the Republican party robbed me of my innocence.  I clung to the belief that Republicans cheated and stole elections and that the Democrats were the good guys.  I was in DC on May 31, I stood out in the rain and listened on a cheap transmitter radio as the DNC pushed democracy to the curb.  Do not lecture me about Obama being good for our country.  Obama and the DNC's actions are destroying our democracy.  Despite all of the gloom and doom, we can survive a bad president, but I will not knowingly vote for a dishonest one.  I will vote for McCain and it will have nothing to do with McCain.  For me, voting for a third party or not voting for president is not enough. I need to supersize my protest by making it as effective as I can.  I will vote for McCain and I will feel like a patriot while I do so.
dont worry (0.00 / 0)
dont worry hopscotch-factcheck has done plenty. i plan to debunk st hood of mcain very soon here!
also projectvote,aflcio (0.00 / 0)
oops-also projectvote. aflcio has some great debunking too
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No McCain is far from a Saint (0.00 / 0)
I have never said he was and don't think that I have ever read any one else on here say he was either. But I could have missed it,I suppose..don't know.But he is one Hell of a more honest man than BO.I can't speak for all the people on here that are voting for McCain but I do believe that most of us have no grand illusions about him.His record has been out there for years.

We know him for what he is and what he is is one heck of a lot better than Obama.I am voting for a man that fought and almost died for this country. I believe that he loves it with all his heart like all of us.I honestly believe that he will do the best he can to try to do what is right for it and never knowingly bring it harm.Am I naive? Perhaps but that is the feeling I get from him.

I can't say that I feel the same about BO.I can't understand why he would go to a country where our soldiers are fighting and dying and tell the leaders to hold our soldiers back from coming home until after the election. And also told a crowd in Kenya that our National Anthem is too violent and we should replace it.Who campaigned for his cousin there who brokered a deal with his tribesmen to install Sharia Law over it's citizens.

Obama has a lot of associates that are on record as harming or wanting to harm this country.I have never read any thing from any one that has known him that is not some type of radical. Doesn't the man have any normal friends?He keeps too many secrets and the question is why? What is he hiding?He is just way too scary for me.

I have no great love for McCain but I have to vote for him because BO is just too risky,too unknown. He must be stopped and voting McCain is the only way to do that.I know what McCain is all about. I guess it all comes down to who do you trust to lead this country and do it no harm and I just trust him more than Bo.

I don't feel scared or threatened by McCain. On the contrary,I get a secure grandfatherly feeling of protection from him.With BO it is just a scary,uneasy not quite right feeling.I can't put my finger on it but it is just too creepy.

So whatever you write about McCain it will not change my mind.It would have to be pretty bad to even compare to BO's record,at least the record that he lets us see.So it doesn't matter, my mind was made up around South Carolina when the racist card was played against the Clintons.It only got worse after that and if he pulled all that rotten stuff in a primary what ever will he do when he is President? I shudder to think.I will never vote for Obama,never.

Well stated, masslib (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for laying it out.  I agree with Hopscotch that there has been a lot of  Republican Kool-Aid absorbed here and i have to say that I find it quite unsettling.

How anyone who shared values with Hillary Clinton can find their way to pull the lever for the likes of John McCain and Sarah Palin is beyond me.   To each his/her own.

BotoxicP (0.00 / 0)
why don't you try to be a little less toxic with the ratings button, and just leave it alone.
I agree with you BUT (0.00 / 0)
I made a committment to myself and I'm sticking to it. I cannot support the democratic candidate this year, this time based on the way he got there - PERIOD. He cheated with the compliance of the DNC, the outcome of MI/FL, caucuses, called the Clintons racists.

yeah yeah I know we can all say it's politics - but I'm not gonna condone it - not this time.

The democrats have had me MY WHOLE LIFE and I will support all down ticket DEMS and you're right  - I can't stand the repugs on the issues or as people - but this time - this once - I'm sending a message and I will stick with my personal committment to myself and vote for McCain/Palin.

the dumb ass (obama) didn't even pick HRC for VP!!! what a slap in the face to all hillary supporters. I take this PERSONALLY.

But - I live in Cali and he's running 20 pts ahead of Mccain so my vote really won't matter.....

My partner is writing hillary's name in (along with about 5 other people i know here)....

But I have no doubt BHO will win this election. There is no October surprise because the media will refuse to write about it....they want obama.....

Yup (0.00 / 0)
Those who insist on talking about the issues don't understand what a PROTEST VOTE is. That's why the Obots who keep harassing us on other sites get so frustrated and just don't understand. Look, Obama could say that he was going to take all the money we currently spend on the Iraq war and spend it all on the environment and animal rescue (my two pet causes). I STILL WOULD NOT VOTE FOR HIM. Because it's not about issues. It is about what happened during the primaries. It is about a stolen election. It is about not rewarding bad behavior.

(Well, OK, let's be honest, I'd vote for Satan if he promised me the scenario above. And Satan would probably keep his word better than Obama would.)

I voted McCain-Palin. (0.00 / 0)
Obama was not on my Michigan Primary Ballot in January.

As far as I'm concerned, he's not on it this Novemeber.

My absentee ballot was happily marked for McCain-Palin.  What the Obama-Left has done to Sarah is inconscionable.  And I will never forgive what they did to Geraldine Ferraro, let alone my candidate: Hillary Clinton.

I will not reward bad behavior.  I'm a good gay Catholic, masslib.  Perhaps you should learn to hold people to account, too.

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