Open Thread: Hillary wins the debate

Excellent post, masslib! (4.00 / 3)

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by: ghost2 @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 23:23:14 PM CDT

Thanks. How absolutely weird (4.00 / 5)

that given the economic crisis we are in, she is not going to be our next president.  I still can't totally understand it.  But it is what it is.  

Medicare for All is Civil Rights

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by: masslib @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 23:26:32 PM CDT

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your title is perfect. (4.00 / 3)

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by: ghost2 @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 00:17:19 AM CDT

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McCain was a crack up (4.00 / 3)

My jaw hit the floor as he described HOLC, but the delivery was so mechanical you could tell he was pandering.

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by: Pacific John @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 23:26:05 PM CDT

A crack up... (4.00 / 1)

as in major car accident!

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by: Radiowalla @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 23:58:36 PM CDT

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This had to standards for modern Pres debates: (4.00 / 7)

- most boring
- least informative
- best imitation of a major car accident

I can't think of one debate that was less enjoyable.

After two P and one VP debate, the indy audience tracker makes it clear that indys don't care about taxes at all, they hate Iraq but don't understand it, and want help from government programs, especially indy women. Oh, they hate direct attacks, and love upbeat delivery.

It's striking that corruption on Wall St and in govt doesn't strike a chord.

And lastly, Hillary would have crushed either one of those clowns.

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by: Pacific John @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 00:53:19 AM CDT

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Could not agree more... (4.00 / 2)

It gave me a headache.  

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by: Politica @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 01:38:17 AM CDT

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I can understand why McCain has such contempt (4.00 / 4)

For Obama.

He's gonna be beat by yet another punkish kid propped up by the media.

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by: edgar08 @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 23:35:28 PM CDT

Heh. (4.00 / 2)

Medicare for All is Civil Rights

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by: masslib @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 23:36:12 PM CDT

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hillary and bill to join stump for obama and others in key states-pa first (4.00 / 3)

this is a breaking story-hillary and bill will jointly campaign with biden for obama starting in pa this week. i dont know how mccain can survive hillary and bill pushing the economy.

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by: texan4hillary @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 23:37:20 PM CDT

He can't. (4.00 / 2)

Medicare for All is Civil Rights

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by: masslib @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 23:37:56 PM CDT

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more- (4.00 / 1)

Bill And Hillary To Campaign With Biden In Pennsylvania
By Greg Sargent - October 7, 2008, 5:02PM
For the first time, both Clintons will campaign together for the Obama-Biden ticket.

Hillary and Bill will be campaigning alongside Joe Biden this Sunday at an event in Scranton, Pennsylvania, according to Obama Pennsylvania spokesperson Sean Smith.

Polls have been showing Obama-Biden starting to pull away in the Pennsylvania -- and that's before any appearance by the Clintons in the state.

The Clintons will hammer away at economic themes in their speeches at the Sunday rally, and they are likely to play up the roots in the Scranton area that both Hillary and Biden share. Further details will be announced later in the week.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk...

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by: texan4hillary @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 23:54:45 PM CDT

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I wanna go... (0.00 / 0)

It's not in range, though...

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by: sj @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 11:09:39 AM CDT

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a good point (4.00 / 4)

watching historians on pbs talk about this election and the debate. kearns goodwin talked about it is a shame our politicians dont look to history to help them. it si shame mccain and obama dont study fdr. i agree sadly. as a hsitorian it pains me. history teaches so much and can help leaders. leaders must study leaders to be greats.

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by: texan4hillary @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 00:28:23 AM CDT

All I can say is (4.00 / 2)

"God help us all".

This time round it's a gamble all the way, no matter how we vote or what we feel.  I even think our vote is just a commercial by-product of already-produced results.  Why? Because of 2000 and 2004, and the sophistication of voter-disenfranchisement developed into an art between then and now.

I don't, at this point, believe that our votes matter a damn.  I think we've been had.

I have no idea who will win, but I don't think that either way, our actual votes have any say in it whatsoever.  Yes, color me jaded.  

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by: Gabriele Droz @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 00:37:08 AM CDT

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Right (0.00 / 0)

Yeah, the Primary kinda proved that.

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by: cameoanne @ Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 23:59:54 PM CDT

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they don't even study jfk (4.00 / 1)

America has been convinced preconditions are a bad thing.

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by: edgar08 @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 00:38:54 AM CDT

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And what a teachable moment for the country (4.00 / 1)

if they used history in their answers. McCain knows a lot of military history. Obama - sorry, but I noticed this in the primaries - he almost never talks about history, and when he does, he gets it wrong. He doesn't know a lot of history. Wish we could give them a pop quiz.

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by: catfish @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 11:31:46 AM CDT

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Hillary won the debate (4.00 / 5)

I agree. They both copied Hillary's homework again. Her imprint is inescapable.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

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by: grlpatriot @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 01:21:19 AM CDT

HOLC (4.00 / 2)

now decided my vote.

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by: Ga6th @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 06:11:28 AM CDT

nice to see you here, Ga6th! (4.00 / 1)

virtual hugs to you.

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by: ghost2 @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 10:18:20 AM CDT

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