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Obama's Iraq Backtrack

by: iam0nly1

Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 17:12:15 PM EDT


promoted because it's better than my diary re: sourcing - campskunk

Cross posted at DONEdems.com

In the much discussed ABC Pennsylvania Democratic debate http://abcnews.go.com/Politics... Senators Clinton and Obama were asked if they would be steadfast in removing troops from Iraq even if commanders and generals disagreed. Senator Obama was adamant:

GIBSON: And, Senator Obama, your campaign manager, David Plouffe, said, "When he is" -- this is talking about you -- "When he is elected president, we will be out of Iraq in 16 months at the most. There should be no confusion about that."

So you'd give the same rock-hard pledge, that no matter what the military commanders said, you would give the order to bring them home?

OBAMA: Because the commander-in-chief sets the mission, Charlie.

That's not the role of the generals.

And one of the things that's been interesting about the president's approach lately has been to say, "Well, I'm just taking cues from General Petraeus."

Well, the president sets the mission. The general and our troops carry out that mission. And, unfortunately, we have had a bad mission set by our civilian leadership, which our military has performed brilliantly. But it is time for us to set a strategy that is going to make the American people safer.

Now, I will always listen to our commanders on the ground with respect to tactics, once I've given them a new mission, that we are going to proceed deliberately, in an orderly fashion, out of Iraq, and we are going to have our combat troops out. We will not have permanent bases there.

Once I have provided that mission, if they come to me and want to adjust tactics, then I will certainly take their recommendations into consideration. But, ultimately, the buck stops with me as the commander-in-chief.

Well, that was the primary, and this is the general, and in classic Obama form, he's backtracking.  

iam0nly1 :: Obama's Iraq Backtrack

Looks like Obama's planning on passing the buck: don't like our new timeline, don't like that we can't get the troops out?...Blame the commanders.

But if that wasn't enough, now he's talking about "refining" his timeline and Iraq policy.

Senator Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot sustain a long-term military presence in Iraq, but added that he would be open to "refine my policies" about a timeline for withdrawing troops after meeting with American military commanders during a trip to Iraq later this month.

Mr. Obama, whose popularity in the Democratic primary was built upon a sharp opposition to the war and an often-touted 16-month gradual timetable for removing combat troops, dismissed suggestions that he was changing positions in the wake of reductions in violence in Iraq and a general election fight with Senator John McCain.

"I've always said that the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability. That assessment has not changed," he said. "And when I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I'm sure I'll have more information and will continue to refine my policies."

As he arrived for a campaign stop in North Dakota, Mr. Obama told reporters on Thursday that he intended to conduct "a thorough assessment" of his Iraq policy during a forthcoming trip to the country. He stressed that he has long called for a careful and responsible withdrawal of American forces, but he declined to offer a fresh endorsement of his plan to remove one to two combat brigades a month.

"My 16-month timeline, if you examine everything that I've said, was always premised on making sure that our troops were safe," he said. "I said that based on the information that we had received from our commanders that one to two brigades a month could be pulled out safely, from a logistical perspective. My guiding approach continues to be that we've got to make sure that our troops are safe and that Iraq is stable."

What happened to "the buck stops here" and "the commander in chief sets the mission?" Strap on your seat belts and hold on to your seats, a much larger flip-flop is on the way. It is guaranteed that upon his return from Iraq he will have "seen the light" and come to the conclusion that we can't pull the troops out. He's already given us his new buzzword, "refine." We can all expect another addition of WORM (What Obama Really Meant). I'm predicting it right now folks. But, this is a safe prediction as it was foreshadowed months ago by Samantha "Monster" Power:

In short, Obama's consistent stance on Iraq and plan to remove the troops is what Bill Clinton always said it was; a fairy tale.

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Well.... (0.00 / 0)
I am overwhelmed at BO statements today.  Iraq.  FISA (see Talk Left...even BTD is talking "dealbreaker").  And TexasDarling and the latest update on the birth certificate scandal (note:  I have held back in coming to my POV on this issue while Texas has been doing the heavy lfiting....but read her current article...it's "breathtaking".).

I can't believe that the SDs could be so stupid as to let this thing go forward.

O.  M.  G.


Fairy Tale! LOVE It! (0.00 / 0)
I sooooooo love the way you tied it back around to what Bill pointed out right after the IA caucuses.

Right before those bastids called him a racist for pointing out the obvious re his sham of a stand / flip-before-it-was-a-flop Iraq policy.

Makes more sense now... Bill pointed out something they desperately wanted to keep under wraps so they had to divert, lie and holler to get our attention away from it all.

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great diary, iam0nly1!! (0.00 / 0)
i'd completely forgotten about the PA debate. this man will say ANYTHING to get elected.

i added your blog to our blogroll... also, check Alegre's diary below for an update on the Hillraisers links. they go to Hillary's 2012 Senate re-election campaign now, not retiring the debt, and your blog still has the old link up.

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.


Thanks for the link... (0.00 / 0)
I'll get that changed ASAP!

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all the Obama apologists (0.00 / 0)
have found a way to spin this.  They're saying 'well isn't it great that he's willing to change his mind with new information'?

But this doesn't make any sense.  From the reports I'm hearing from the experts, it would've made MORE sense to say 'we'll be out in 16 months NOW' rather than, say, in February - when things were more uncertain and he was debting Hillary.  At least now the experts are saying we're actually making some progress.  

The other part that doesn't make any sense is that Obama has yet to visit the country.  He hasn't been there for 900 days.  Without consulting people on the ground there, he's willing to change his mind?  

IT MAKES NO SENSE!  


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