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McSame v.s. OBush: Obama's 'Change' Makes McCain Viable Option

by: iam0nly1

Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 15:36:44 PM EDT


(Great analysis. - promoted by Pacific John)

Cross posted at DONEdems.com

In light of Obama's sprint to the Right (not the center), he and his surrogates and supporters should probably jettison the "McSame" meme along with public financing, opposition to NAFTA, FISA, mental health exceptions, separation of church and state, etc.  Because if McCain is McSame, then Obama is OBush. Senators McCain and Obama are remarkably aligned on a multitude of political and policy stances.  Which begs the question; what "change" will Obama bring?

The LA Times reports:

Stem-cell research and nuclear weapons are just two examples of a surprising but little-noticed aspect of the 2008 campaign: Democrat Obama and Republican McCain agree on a range of issues that have divided the parties under Bush.

On immigration, faith-based social services, expanded government wiretapping, global warming and more, Obama and McCain have arrived at similar stances - even as they have spent weeks trying to amplify the differences between them on other issues, such as healthcare and taxes.

Even on Iraq, a signature issue for both candidates, McCain and Obama have edged toward each other.

The result is that in many areas of policy, the general direction of the next White House seems already set, even if the details are not.

...

"It debunks the common view that Obama is the most liberal Democratic senator," Isaacs said. "And it debunks the view that McCain is really the third Bush term."

Soon, the Iraq War  will just be another issue on which the two candidates agree:

iam0nly1 :: McSame v.s. OBush: Obama's 'Change' Makes McCain Viable Option
Initially, the war in Iraq was one of the hot-button disagreements. Obama made his early opposition to the war a cornerstone of his candidacy; McCain's calling card has been his support for the war and last year's troop increase. But in the course of the campaign, their differences have narrowed over the choices facing the next president.

McCain has repeatedly opposed setting timetables for withdrawing U.S. forces, but more recently he has said he wants most troops out by 2013 - the first time he has mentioned a specific date.

Obama has repeatedly said he would withdraw troops within 16 months of taking office, but he has hedged in ways that would give him wide latitude: He says he will listen to military commanders, will react to events on the ground and may "refine" his plan after his upcoming trip to Iraq.

So far, Iraq has been Obama's trump card, but once he cedes it (which he will) he will remove all incentive to vote for him, except for those who will vote simply for a Democrat-in-name-only.

The LA Times gives us a nice summary of their similarities:

* Both McCain and Obama favor combating global warming with a "cap and trade" system. Under this plan, the government would set limits on emissions. Companies and others who emit gases below those limits would be able to sell credits to those unable to meet the targets.

* On the future of nuclear power, the candidates are in the same neighborhood. McCain has laid out a plan to build 45 nuclear power plants. Obama has offered more general support, along with the caveat that a nuclear power expansion be coupled with a resolution on how to safely dispose of waste.

* Both have parted ways with Bush and advocated stepped-up negotiations with Russia and other countries to reduce the world's nuclear arsenal.

* Both twice voted for legislation - which Bush twice vetoed - that would have eased federal restrictions on human embryonic stem-cell research.

* Obama voted in the Senate on Wednesday for a bill, bitterly opposed by many liberals, to expand the government's eavesdropping authority and to protect telephone companies that cooperate with the program from being sued. McCain was not present for the vote but has said he supported the bill.

* Both embrace the idea of continuing Bush's faith-based initiative, a program that funnels federal money to religious charities for social services.

So what does all of this mean?

Well, first and foremost, Obama is not the progressive his blogosphere cheerleaders would have us believe. Second, McCain isn't the nasty, typical conservative he's made out to be.

Ultimately this is bad for Obama because his campaign has been running to the Right with the assumption that we Democrats "don't have anywhere else to go."  It's clear they have miscalculated their competition. McCain supports stem-cell research, renewable energy, fighting global warming and nuclear non-proliferation, while opposing drilling in ANWR, and upon Obama's public financing flip, has more credibility on campaign finance reform, among other things.

With the political climate as it is, voters are more willing to accept conservative policy stances from a liberal conservative, than from a supposed progressive. A progressive abandoning progressive ideals for votes is not nearly as appealing nor admirable as a liberal conservative holding to his progressive stances to the chagrin of his Party.  

For Democrats who are finding it hard or impossible to support or to continue to support Obama, a remarkably liberal Republican may prove too much to resist. We have the power to move the Republican Party not just to the center, but to the political left.

If McCain was good enough for Kerry in 2004, he's good enough for Democrats in 2008.

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Wow (0.00 / 0)
Great analysis.

It's that old Harry Trumanism, "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time."


LOL (0.00 / 0)
I never heard that before.  thanks Pacific John.

And it's true.  Better go with the original.


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LOL! (0.00 / 0)
Wow, so true. :)

Country before party.

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Love the new nickname (0.00 / 0)
i saw George W. Obama.  Then Barack w. Bush.  Now O'Bush.   More to the point.

I don't see significant difference (0.00 / 0)
between McCain and Obama.

And I'm not voting for either one.


right now we can say we want Hillary to lead (0.00 / 0)
Here's Obama's editorial. You can post comments

http://community.nytimes.com/a...

that's the link. Let's get out the message.  God the ego this guy has to have to post this in the NYtimes!


O/T- Obama admits a mistake?? (0.00 / 0)
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/...
Obama: I used 'poor phrasing' on Jerusalem

Again? Heh..


He never admits a mistake (0.00 / 0)
He always mispeaks, but we stupid rubes should have been able to figure out what he meant, right?  Right?

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From the New Yorker in article about Obama: (0.00 / 0)
"If you can't be pinned down, you can't be held accountable and you get to claim outcomes after the fact. If you don't actually vote on something, you can easily claim to have been for or against it all along, with no penalty for the slight of hand."

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Hagee as VP (0.00 / 0)
It will be interesting to see how talk of Hagee as VP starts affecting progressives.  Some, who are recovering Republicans may not see the issue.  But how are the standard bearers of the D. Party going to take it?

obama thinks he wins by popularity (0.00 / 0)
He moves into the policy territory of his "opponent" and then tries to have it be a popularity - speechifying type of race.  

He thinks he can be more popular and speechify better than McCain...  

Didn't he win the primary by similar fashion?  Adopt Hillary's good ideas, change them a little, then work the MSM to make the race more of a popularity contest?  


I posted my comment on Obama's NYT article... (0.00 / 0)
here it is.

"Senator, you propose to send more troops to Afghanistan to accomplish the mission there. What is that mission? Unfortunately, this is unclear terminology and thinking.

If the "mission" is to capture Osama bin Laden, just sending in more troops will not help - unless we send in hundreds of thousands. The geography of the area where Osama is hiding out is harsh and unforgiving, and we don't know it nearly as well as he and his followers do. Meanwhile, the troops that are currently there are in more and more trouble, as you know.

The answer would not be to send in more troops, but to work with other countries in the region. Unfortunately, thanks to George Bush's failures in foreign policy, we may not be able to get the help we need to capture OBL and bring him to justice.

Neither you, Senator Obama, nor Senator John McCain are willing to think deeply about these issues. We need Hillary to lead us out of Bush's two quagmires. Nothing else is acceptable.

PUMA."



The Handler have it? (0.00 / 0)
His endless parsing, pleading, and re-phrasing is wearing thin. It probably won't shake his foundation though but coninually bringing these details to light can however chip away at the base of the pedestal he was placed upon.

Gains from the shift to right will be illusory in that the voters he thus seeks are the same 'seething millions' who were totally dismissed during primaries, and then virtually disenfranchised by DNC.  

All candidates wish to solidify base and gain in the middle. Unfortunately for him, the middle is too vast now and as the candidate shifs to right, the voter base will shift right too, then McCain becomes even more attractive!

With six weeks to go before Denver, and many more before November, so much drama left in this saga. Alegre is a scribe to History being written!

Still Hearting Hillary, In Slo-Mo toward McCain


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