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Obama Heckled in Israel; Clarifies More Statements; Tells Netenyahu He's Sleepy

by: catfish

Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 02:44:44 AM EDT


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From Jake Tapper, many posts from Obama's visit. Looks like a grueling day and a half - he met with many leaders, bureaucrats, rabbis. Few, if any, rock star moments. And at his first stop he admitted he was tired! (Since the media will deliver the highlights, below are some less flattering moments.)

Post #1 - 1 Nap Time, 2 Reporter-avoids, 1 Tutorial, 1 Clarification.
[Nap Time]

The next meeting was with Knesset member/Likud Party Chair Benjamin Netanyahu, who asked Obama how he was feeling.

"I could fall asleep standing up," Obama said, according to Bloomberg News' Tel Aviv correspondent Jonathan Ferziger.

[Reporter-avoid]:

Obama advisers Steinberg, Danzig, Shapiro and Dr. Susan Rice met with Bibi as well. Bibi was joined by former Ambassador Dore Gold; former national security adviser Uzi Arad; Zalman Shoval, former ambassador to U.S.; Netanyahu's counselor Ron Derner and Netanyahu chief of staff Ari Harrow

"Mr. Obama?" asked one of the reporters in the small pool permitted into these meetings.

"There's not going to be any questions now," Obama said. And the reporters were escorted out.

(As Rabbi Hillel said, "If not now, when?")

[Tutorial]

"The Senator and I agreed that the primacy of preventing iran from becoming a nuclear power is clear and this should guide our mutual policies." He said he told Obama that "achieving this goal is more important than how you achieve it, but it's terribly important to achieve it."

[Clarification]

Amidst some reports questioning whether the Palestinians would be in charge of Obama's security while in the West Bank, Dr. Rice underscored this morning that the U.S. Secret Service will be in charge as it has been this entire trip.

[Reporter-avoid]

Obama will visit a police station there, where a number of rockets that have fallen are on display. Reporters may or may not get to ask Obama a question or two in Sderot.

3 more posts from Israel on the flip ...  

catfish :: Obama Heckled in Israel; Clarifies More Statements; Tells Netenyahu He's Sleepy
Post 2 - 2 Reporter-avoids; 1 Tutorial.

[Reporter-avoid]

Obama left his hotel this morning, traveling in a bullet-proof limousine that was part of a nine-car motorcade. Upon arrival at Yad Vashem, Obama was greeted by Avner Shalev, chairman of Yad Vashem.

An Israeli journalist called out to Obama: "Can you ensure that there will be no second Holocaust?"

Obama walked into the museum's main building without responding.

[Reporter-avoid]

Once again an Israeli journalist asked the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee how he'd help prevent a second Holocaust. "Senator can you assure Israel that there will be no second Holocaust despite Iran's threat to wipe us off the map?" he asked.

Obama demurred, saying that it wasn't appropriate to answer the question there.

"This is Yad Vashem!" the journalist responded.

Obama said he would answer the question at a later press availability.

[Newly found humility?]

The Democrat said he was in Israel "to reaffirm the special relationship between Israel and the United States, my abiding commitment to Israel's security and I hope I can serve as an effective partner whether as a United States senator or as a president, in bringing about a more lasting peace in the region."

[Tutorial]

The two entered Beit HaNasi where Peres started describing an important book he read that contrasted the merits of socialism versus capitalism, which he recommended to the young senator whose books Peres found to be full of a moving humanity.

Post 3 - 1 Clarification.

[Clarification]

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, issued a statement clarifying that he and Palestinian National Authority officials didn't discuss Jerusalem during their meeting today.

"Senator Obama did not discuss Jerusalem in the meeting with President Abbas, Prime Minister Fayyad and their colleagues," Obama senior adviser Robert Gibbs said in a statement. "His position on the issue was never raised."

Post 4 - 1 Clarification
[Funny]

Her daughter, 22-year-old Tamar, gave Defense Minister Ehud Barak a hug, and said: "I want to say something about this gorgeous man. You give us a lot of strength. I don't know what I'd do without you."

Obama joked that he wasn't sure that Barak is "that gorgeous," but agreed he's a "good" and "strong" man. The Amar family gave Obama a flower arrangement and a framed photo of their destroyed home

[Clarification]

The first question Obama was asked challenged him on his shift from declaring before a convention of the American Jewish pro-Israel group AIPAC that he supported an "undivided Jerusalem," a declaration he backed off just days later. How can Israelis know he won't change other positions, he was asked.

"First of all, I didn't change my statement," Obama said, though he clearly has backed off the term "undivided Jerusalem," which means that Israel will not make any land concessions when it comes to Jerusalem. The Palestinian National Authority would like the capital of a future Palestinian state to be East Jerusalem, which has only been part of Israel since 1967.

[Kudos - he actually answers a few more questions from reporters.]

Post 5 - Obama visits the Wall before dawn; is greeted by a heckler.

[Heckler]

The pre-dawn sky was dark.

And then one man at the Wall began screaming: "Obama, Jerusalem is our land! Obama, Jerusalem is not for sale!"

He kept yelling this for Obama's entire 10 minutes at the Wall, refusing to stop despite repeated entreaties to do so from the crowd.

Is it Friday yet? Soon he'll meet his audience of one million Germans.  

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presidenting is hard work. (0.00 / 0)
let's all hope for another "undivided jerusalem" clarification soon, because all the last one said was that two different statements are really the same thing.

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.

AWESOME! (0.00 / 0)
He needs more heckling. More, more, more. Knock him off his game some more. I say we adopt Alinksy wholesale and start using it against him. Wouldn't that be some poetic justice...

I'm a Stantonian Democrat.

Re: Using Alinsky's Methods (0.00 / 0)
Hillary could tell us how.

[ Parent ]
somebody get andrea mitchell to detox, fast. (0.00 / 0)
she looks besotted.



Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.


Detox (0.00 / 0)
Andrea (hearts) Obama -- True Luv 4vr. The reporter in front of Obama that we cannot see, but Candy Crowley is watching, might be touching him/her self. Candy has seen this behavior so much that she isn't fazed by it anymore.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

[ Parent ]
is that his Monica (0.00 / 0)
blond, stage right?    

Hillary - alternative energy

[ Parent ]
The future of political manipulation??? Read on... (0.00 / 0)

The future of political manipulation??

Welcome to "Brainwave Analysis"-Where Brainwaves are "Taken, Analyzed, Cleaned-up, Processed" and the Metrics are "Extracted" (Coming to a Future Political Campaign Near You?)

http://tinyurl.com/6mtfjf

preview:

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This is the scariest thing I've learned about in a long time. As a former market researcher, I find it absolutely mind-blowing (literally)....

"If befriend donkey, expect to be kicked"--Charlie Chan


This is how it starts (0.00 / 0)
I'm not surprised "mind control" has  progressed this far. People will do anything to gain control over others. Obama's entire marketing campaign is proof of that. I've always felt I was being sold a product I DO NOT WANT! I'm not an image based consumer. I read the f*cking label first.

GRL, I read your piece. You should cross-post it here at the Corner so more people will see it.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  


[ Parent ]
some at mydd (0.00 / 0)
who generally sound rational are all for the marketing of Barack, claim that's the only way to get elected. So much for the new, so goes hope.  So very cynical?  I think it's strong arm tactics, not marketing.  

Hillary - alternative energy

[ Parent ]
There's nothing wrong with marketing (0.00 / 0)
when it's employed to advance something. I'm all for marketing Hillary.  

[ Parent ]
what she learned (0.00 / 0)
is that being herself, speaking her mind, being unscripted worked for her, because she actually is informed, intelligent, witty, and kindly. when the product is good enough, it doesn't need to be marketed.  Word of mouth and seeing for yourself works, if you have nothing to hide.  

Hillary - alternative energy

[ Parent ]
Obama's circular reasoning: but I ran a great campaign (0.00 / 0)
That really is an argument they're making for padding his thin record - he's run a great campaign! Let's vote for him! He markets himself so well!

[ Parent ]
Great round up, Catfish (0.00 / 0)
You can add this to your "Clarification because the dumb ass needs a tutorial on how to tell the truth" list: (from CNN) Obama incorrectly claims membership of Senate Banking committee.

(CNN) - Responding to an Israeli reporter's question Wednesday on his commitment to protect the Jewish state, Barack Obama pointed to a bill "we passed" in the U.S. Senate Banking Committee that tightens sanctions and authorizes divestment from Iran. "My committee," he called it.

Except that he isn't a member of the Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs.

"Just this past week, we passed out of the out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee - which is my committee - a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon," Obama said at a press conference in Sderot, Israel.

What a liar! He isn't even on the committee, much less in charge of it, and had nothing to do with the bill.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  


worm (0.00 / 0)
the Barking committee, he chairs the barking committee, which is why we call him Senator Barky.  

Hillary - alternative energy

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I understand, but (0.00 / 0)
others do not understand how "Barky" is used. They think it's a play on "darky". It is seen as racists. Just saying.

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

[ Parent ]
They think everything is racist, you racist. (0.00 / 0)
We're all racists now. Even Obama.

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wow, that's a stretch (0.00 / 0)
I don't usually have to watch what I say, but barky has a meaning that isn't even confined to sex, let alone any cultural or racial identity, it's a dog that barks over nothing, so you can't tell real danger from faux outrage.  Guess they're pissed our words are harder to spin into racism, so they can smear us for what we're not, rather than admire us for speaking our minds in a culture of go home and shut up.  

Hillary - alternative energy

[ Parent ]
Mine mine mine mine (0.00 / 0)
It's MY nomination and MY convention and MY choice for who is veep and now it's MY political party MY DNC mine mine mine MY united states mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine

[ Parent ]
Don't most people outgrow that (0.00 / 0)
stage, "Mine, mine!!", by the time they are four years old??  

Live your life in such a way that when your feet
hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says
'Oh $#!%'...she's awake!!


[ Parent ]
Perfect sound effect (0.00 / 0)
This is the perfect sound effect from Finding Nemo.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

[ Parent ]
the questions must be in the right form? (0.00 / 0)
advanced tutorial for Barack:

the whole point of ensuring Israel's security is so there can't be another holocaust, that's the reasoning behind the UN giving the Jewish people land.  

Once you've traveled a bit, you learn the difference between jet lag and being just sleepy and it's no longer interesting to comment on it.  

No option off the table and doesn't matter how but whether is code speak for Bush's so-called tactical nuclear weapons, the ones we've been worrying about the last few years.

Calling someone gorgeous is about the inside, not the outside.  

Hillary - alternative energy


The gorgeous comment - oy! (0.00 / 0)
In the context, the joke was pretty inappropriate.
Upon landing, Obama was taken by motorcade to a suburb of Sderot to visit the Amar family, whose modest home had been destroyed by a Qassam rocket in December.

Mother Eliza Amar, injured by shrapnel, now walks with a cane.

Her daughter, 22-year-old Tamar, gave Defense Minister Ehud Barak a hug, and said: "I want to say something about this gorgeous man. You give us a lot of strength. I don't know what I'd do without you."

Obama joked that he wasn't sure that Barak is "that gorgeous," but agreed he's a "good" and "strong" man. The Amar family gave Obama a flower arrangement and a framed photo of their destroyed home



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Hope he doesn't tell Putin/Mededev he's sleepy (0.00 / 0)
Right before he does some negotiating.

And we're grading on that curve that the self-esteem generation uses, he answered about five questions in total.


[ Parent ]
he finds so much (0.00 / 0)
about himself interesting. Maybe he'll say he has a tummy ache, or that he's having a nicotine fit?  

Hillary - alternative energy

[ Parent ]
He just told Berlin his dad was a goat herder (0.00 / 0)
more like his dad ran a goat herding company before and after attending Harvard.

He told the latinos on the radio that he was born poor and his family didn't have a lot of money. His mom got a Phd and his dad attended Harvard. He attended private school.  


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details, details (0.00 / 0)
he gave an inspirational speech?  I liked the part on ending nuclear weapons, by stopping everyone else and by destroying our out of date ones.  He's only for nuclear power plant proliferation, right? But he did come clean on NAFTA, or did he?   Still, it was a pretty good speech, and he delivered it well. And was more entertaining than the German cowboy clip, kind of.  And it wasn't presidential, he kept that promise.  

Hillary - alternative energy

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Obama on Jerusalem (0.00 / 0)
A nice compilation of Obama's various statements on Jerusalem. This guy is a nightmare, worse than Bush! He doesn't deserve the nomination, let alone the White House.

Obama on Jerusalem, Properly Phrased

http://www.americanthinker.com...

Country before party.


Media Club (0.00 / 0)
Let's form a media club, seek journalists who would promote Hillary's nomination and point out the dumbass, embarassing things barky does and keep feeding positive info for Hillary and negative info for Barky.  The NYT did a nice article on The Denver Group.  We need more journalists such as that author to get on the bandwagon and help us CHANGE the way the wind is blowing.  Keep The Democratic Process Democratic.

That was actually a flattering article (0.00 / 0)
the NYT one, I think a faction of PUMAs is starting to hit their stride.

(Hope the MSM doesn't read this, there will be backlash.)


[ Parent ]
I think there's an excellent chance (0.00 / 0)
that he doesn't have the stamina for the next few months. He could crack under the stress - he's never worked so hard before. Watch for gaffes & temper tantrums.

well, we saw a mini-tantrum today... (0.00 / 0)
...when his campaign tried to blame the military for his refusal to visit wounded troops in ramstein air base.

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.

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"Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what you believe in. When you stumble, keep faith. When you?re knocked down, get right back up. And NEVER listen to anyone who says you can't or shouldn't go on."
Hillary Clinton - June 7, 2008

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