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PUMAs Pounce on Howie in Charlotte, Raleigh

by: campskunk

Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 09:12:33 AM EDT


Howard Dean is trying to make the best of his "go play in the traffic" assignment the Obama campaign overlords gave him - to go register voters in the states Obama would lose in November. Dutiful Howie has worked his way from Texas all the way across the deep red South to Charlotte, North Carolina. That's where he ran into trouble Friday. Meet trouble - the Charlotte PUMAs.

campskunk :: PUMAs Pounce on Howie in Charlotte, Raleigh
The Charlotte Observer has the (biased) story:

About two dozen Hillary Clinton supporters, some carrying signs saying "Dump Dean," shouted down Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean during an appearance Friday in Charlotte.
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The demonstrators, mostly women, .... (Earth to Charlotte Observer- the Democratic Party is mostly women - hello?).... were protesting a rumored decision not to put Clinton's name in nomination at next month's Democratic convention in Denver. At one point, Dean was drowned out by shouts of "I own my vote!"

"I'm gonna let these folks shout a little bit because I can't hear you folks," Dean said, pausing.

We appreciate you giving us permission to speak, Howie. Too bad your masters, the Obama campaign, won't extend the same courtesy to ordinary Democrats who want their votes counted.

Read up on the Charlotte PUMA website - they had 24 PUMAS at the rally compared to 70 Obamazoids - that's pretty healthy representation!

Howie got testy when the PUMAs dragged him back to reality...

Shouts of protest continued intermittently. When Dean mentioned what he called "the biggest job for President Obama," they hollered, "He's not president!"

...and his bitterness showed. He went back to the cheeto/Obamazoid disinformation that characterizes the 40% of the Democratic party who don't support Obama as  bitter, post-menopausal crypto-Republicans.

Speaking to reporters later on his bus, he dismissed the protesters.

"I'm not sure all of them are Clinton supporters," he said. "Some of them are having fun at the Democrats' expense. I think shouting through somebody's speech is low-class."

NOT a winning strategy for November, Howie. Viewing 40% of the Democratic party as the "dark matter" in the political universe puts you at a BIT of a disadvantage in the general election. But hey, you're the chairman... and you have Obama's permission to say so.

For now.

Hey, Howie, have you heard from Obama lately? I bet he never calls anymore ;-)

More from the Charlotte PUMAs' blog:

Keep in mind that the Observer reported 150-170 Obama supporters. We counted. There were 70 at the tops including politicians and reporters. There were about 24 Pumas gathered.

Yes, Howie, we are your low class, gun toting, religion-clinging, bitter Democrats.

Howie, you are also in denial. We are Democrats....Real Democrats...who refuse to vote for someone so unqualified as Obama.

You see, it is statements previously made by Obama and Dean that proved to us how a radical segment of the Democratic Left have no respect for Hillary or her supporters. In fact, Dean and his troopers have said much nastier things to us than I ever heard from the Rovian Republicans of years gone by.

On the other hand, maybe it was the "Dump Dean" signs that sent our buddy Dean over the edge one more time.

U P D A T E :

There was some action in Raleigh, too...

However, not everyone at the (Raleigh) rally supported Dean and Obama. About half-dozen women were there holding signs, protesting against the Democratic Party and Obama.

The women said they were Democrats, but plan to switch their party affiliation to independent if Hilary Clinton is not the Democratic candidate.

"I won't get over it," explained protester Vivian Bailey. "They say unity? No. It's not going to happen. There are too many people out there that feel the way I feel, the ones here with me today and millions more."

They were on Howie like flies on arugula...

Dean's largest opposition at the event came from Hillary Rodham Clinton supporters. Activists for the former Democratic presidential candidate said they were upset at how national Democrats have treated her candidacy.

The activists greeted Dean as he exited the bus and were last to wish him off. They stood with signs throughout Dean's speech.

"We need a president, not a rock star," said Dr. Judy Wish, 64, of Fayetteville. The lifelong Democrat got into brief arguments with Obama supporters at the event. She said she plans to change her party registration and will likely vote for McCain.

Here's another funny - Howie looked out into the crowd of PUMAs in Raleigh... and saw his own 2004 state campaign chairman ;-)

Not everyone at the event was cheering.

A small group of Hillary Rodham Clinton supporters from Durham and Fayetteville held up signs that said "No-bama" and "18 Million Voices -- Hear Us Now." They called for Clinton's name to be submitted as a candidate at the national convention.

Early childhood educator Stewart Asbel, 39, of Durham said he still thinks Clinton could win if the convention delegates voted. Otherwise, he's considering voting for Republican John McCain.

"Barack Obama does not speak for me," he said.

Dean said he was not concerned about the Clinton supporters at the event, incidentally noting that one of them handled his own 2004 presidential campaign in North Carolina.

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When will Howie get the message? (0.00 / 0)
He doesn't get it, does he?
As far as I can tell, he is trying to flick the issue off of his shirt sleeve and be done with it.  
Not going to work, Howie.  Not going to work.

Start listening to the voices in the party who are demanding primary reform and a proper nominating procedure at the convention.  What is so goddamn hard about that?



You tell the folks Howard (0.00 / 0)

Tell the folks about how we'll all unite behind your "selected" candidate come November. Denial and Delusion are part and parcel of the Democratic trifecta for the letter "D".

For the letter "A" we have alienate/arrogant/appalling

For "B" we have bogus/bullshit/buffoonery

For "C" we have corrupt/calamitous/caricatures

For "D" we have denial/delusion/deceitul

All appellations I once would have thought described only  Republicans. Now it is obvious that we have two Corporate Parties and neither represents the citizens of the United States.

Time to get out the tar and feathers folks!


More alphabet soup -- see below. (0.00 / 0)
E is for elitist.

F is for "fouled" up.  (Insert the other "f" word if you care to do so.  I'm trying to keep my blood pressure reasonable.)

G is for greenbacks -- what the DNC thought they'd be getting with an Obama candidacy.

H is for hubris.

I is for injudicious -- because that's exactly what this is.

J is for jabberwocky -- because jabberwocky makes more sense than the DNC does at this point.

K is for kaput -- what's going to happen to all the corrupt politicians after Obama is defeated.

L is for lemon -- what Obama will be once he "drives" off the lot and has to campaign in a general election (something he is assiduously avoiding at the moment; no debates, no town halls, nothing).

M is for meringue -- the frothy stuff at the top of pies, that evaporates once you try to eat it.  At best, that is Obama.

N is for nothing -- what Dean, Brazile, and Pelosi will be after Obama loses.

O is for oppressive.  How the DNC continues to treat us.

P is for poor.  We're all broke because the DNC and the Democratic Party didn't stand up to Bush and his ill-advised wars; the dollar has declined/weakened.

Q is for questioning -- as in, "We're all questioning our sanity due to the DNC's faulty leadership; how did these guys get into power and how do we get 'em out?"

R is for rebellion -- the necessary thing when tyrants get in power.

S is for suspect -- as in, "The DNC has shown suspect leadership at absolute best."

T is for tumultuous -- as in, "We're in for a tumultuous few months with this bunch of arrogant nabobs in charge of the DNC continuing to screw up the election."

U is for unskillful (behavior) -- what we've seen out of Obama, the DNC, etc..

V is for verbiage.

W is for weathervane -- the Hillary Clinton Democrats are weathervanes that Howard Dean continues to ignore.

X is for xylophone -- as in, "We need a xylophone to drown these people out."

Y is for yahoos -- as in, "The Democratic Party is being run by a bunch of yahoos."

Z is for zoom -- as in, "We're zooming away from the Democratic Party at full force."

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.


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All great (0.00 / 0)
but for "S" I would go for shit-for-brains. Cause that's what they've got if they think that calling us low class is a good way to win votes.

Yahoos, absolutely!


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Oh man, awesome report, CS! (0.00 / 0)
I love it! I hope we chase him all around this country, and he has to cancel his trip. Wouldn't that be fantastic?  

I'm a Stantonian Democrat.

Howie's getting PUMA PTSD. (0.00 / 0)
he's has a terrible two weeks. stuck on that damn bus, going from town to town across states where obama has double-digit losses looming in november...

...and every time he tries to get off the bus and make a speech, there are those damn PUMAs again.

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.


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he's a hack (0.00 / 0)
we need professionalism in party leadership, these hacks are too fearful  of their own sorry futures, and not afraid enough of missing the few opportunities we have left to save our planet.  

It's great that he couldn't shut them up.  But if he had any sense he would have noticed with the drop in donations to the DNC.  There is a party coup taking place.  The party is being taken over by even stupider hacks than our past stupid hacks.  

Hillary - alternative energy


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And a good thing, too. PUMA! (0.00 / 0)


There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.

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Now what would a Kossack Obama Activist say (0.00 / 0)
if someone from Clinton's team said:


"I think shouting through somebody's speech is low-class."

I know.  And if imitation is a form of flattery, here I go:

What the fuck is Howard's problem with free speech.  Shut up and get in line, right, howie?

The trouble with people with double standards (shouting over someone's speech is OK when some people do it but not others) is you always end up agreeing with one side of their equation.

If you didn't know they weren't sincere, I mean.



if howard had listened to us back during the primaries... (0.00 / 0)
...he wouldn't have to listen to us now.

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.

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This from Dean: (0.00 / 0)
"There will be a roll call vote at the convention if Hillary Clinton wants one," tells me they are going to force her to withdraw.  Why out the onus on her?  Just go with the rules and put her on the ballot.  Fricken jerks!

Medicare for All is Civil Rights

Howard Dean (0.00 / 0)
Dean's been getting flack for awhile now. Back in May I went to the New Hampshire Dem convention to cheer on former Gov. Jeanne Shaheen (running for U.S. Senate) She gave a great speech with the theme "one vote does count" -- giving examples of Senate votes that failed passage because of one vote (Sununu's one vote for the wrong side).  I stuck around for awhile to see if I could corner Howard Dean when he came into the hall and let him know directly that my mother is very unhappy with the Party for disregarding her vote (in FL primary).  I was by the entrance and finally he showed up, but he was quickly whisked in and was protectively surrounded by half dozen guys who were like an impenetrable shield.  I think he's taking a lot of heat now and is being over-protective.  What a contrast with Shaheen who slowly walked through shaking hands and talking individually with people all along the way.  anyway.........

Here's a Boston Globe article (front page, no less!) on Dean's appaearance in NH.  I guess I wasn't the only one he was so rude to! (former Gov. Curtis is right on!)

Burden on Dean to Bring Harmony,  
May 27, 2008

MANCHESTER, N.H. - Howard Dean arrived at this month's New Hampshire Democratic Party convention ... climbing out of his rental car with hardly a word for anyone before retreating into a holding area.
The chairman of the Democratic National Committee was there to deliver another of his famous red-meat speeches, exhorting the party faithful to evict the Republicans from the White House. But even amid the applause, there were signs of the Democratic Party's current discord in the room. Supporters of Hillary Clinton held up signs proclaiming: "Gov. Dean, count all the votes in Florida and Michigan!"
After the speech, Dean slipped out a back door and, disappointing a small crowd angling for a word or an autograph, strapped on his seat belt and left.     ........
Dean has withstood criticism for his handling of Florida and Michigan. ...... Some say the dispute may jeopardize the Democrats' ability to compete in two important states. Kenneth M. Curtis, a former governor of Maine who was chairman of the DNC in the late 1970s and is now a superdelegate living in Florida, said Dean should "step down and let somebody new come in who wasn't tainted by this whole mess."

http://www.boston.com/news/nat...  


If Howard listened to voters (0.00 / 0)
instead of insulting them he might learn something.

Poor Howard doesn't understand that real Democrats, the kind that vote for issues and not for "personality" insist on Democracy. You screwed that up and we saw it and we're pyst-off. Really, really pyst-off. And we ain't gonna get over it.

And every time some dim bulb like you or Prima Donna Brazile, Don Fowler or Alice Germond opens your mouth and insults us we get mad all over again.

Actually we need to thank Howard because if he and his pals would have just STFU we might have calmed down a little by now. But not these folks. Too dumb to shut up and not smart enough to know that.

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is another Dem who might try being quiet. She thinks we need to be "wooed". Well perhaps "thinks" is not a term to be applied to Ms. Wasserman-Schultz'a inane remark.

Silence is golden folks. At least in their case it would be.


Charlotte (0.00 / 0)
PUMAs rock!

Camp- I got an e-mail from the NE Puma PAC org- calling for bloggers for Denver- Did you and Alegre and NH get this e-mail? It asks for us to forward to those we think would be interested- e-mail me if you or any of the other outstanding authors here want the info and do not have it.


Dump Dean! (0.00 / 0)
Dump Dean!
Dump Dean!
Dump Dean!

I'm glad voting for the nominee, but... (0.00 / 0)
I'm glad somebody is not making it easy on the DNC.  They need to be reminded that this is not going to go away.

You are always welcome (0.00 / 0)
at the Corner, Drew. You have remained a friend and I appreciate that. You have every right to support the party nominee. You must understand that the Corner is 100% behind getting Hillary on the ticket, hopefully as the party nominee. This means opposing Obama. All I ask is that you respect our decision and our space here at the Corner. Thanks.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

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Absolutely (0.00 / 0)
I completely respect your decision.

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