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We're not finished folks - not by a long shot!

What Lambert said.

by: masslib

Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 08:43:59 AM EDT


Lambert on placing Hillary's name in nomination:

Jeebus, Jesse Jackson’s name was placed in nomination when the Dems nominated Dukasis, and he didn’t have near as many delegates as Hillary does, let alone a majority of the popular vote. So what if it’s symbolic? What could be wrong with the symbolism?

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What Lambert said. | 36 comments
the comments are also enlightening... (0.00 / 0)
Nasty little kids who registered to vote because it was a way to get free concert tickets are driving the direction of my party. They get paid to blog comments like, "She [Hillary] should be f**ked with a pitchfork." I am haunted by those words and stunned that, for many of "the new demographic", political activism has been reduced to the anonymous degradation of anyone who is unlike them. They were supposed to believe in hope, change, and unity. Why are they doing what they're doing and why are they behind this candidate?

that what i don't get. where's the hope? how do these people define hope? it's not a new mindset that has emerged in the last few months, either... we have seen this hatred of hillary for a year now, albeit vocalized by fewer people back when it started. however, now that the goons got it started and broke the first few windows, the rest of the mob jumped right in. and people who know better are silent.

this is very, very ugly, and it says things about our party and country that i wish weren't true.

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.

My siblings and I just told our parents a 22-year-old in their day (0.00 / 0)
was considered a grownup. My 44-year-old brother and I agreed that adolescence in our culture lasts until about 30 and we feel a backlash a-coming.

But there is also a subsection of the young people that are more inner-directed and self-sufficient that knows what's up.  

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Even some people who knew better and were NOT silent (0.00 / 0)
Still could not resist deriving a political benefit from the hate.

Yes.  There are those who knew it was wrong and also spoke out against it but then when it came to their decision on who should be the nominee, they chose Obama simply because he was treated less viciously by others on blogs and in the media.  Which, like it or not, that's playing the "she's devisive" card all the while pretending to speak out against sexism and hate speech.

If the goal was simply to get people's support, then it worked with even some of the most enlightened.

And remember Obama himself went on record saying that such attacks weren't Clinton's fault, but it was why she wouldn't be able to unite the country.

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White Guilt (0.00 / 0)
That's all it is.  We're hell-bent to prove we are not the racists Jeremiah Wright accuses us of being and we'll even elect an incompetent to the presidency of the United States to do it.

That's why they keep flogging the racism issue...to keep us in line.

If Barack Obama were white he wouldn't even be a Chicago alderman. Those folks expect their alderman to actually work for them.

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it doesn't work (0.00 / 0)
how come no one notices that these things aren't working, and that's why it had to be fixed.  If that worked, if we were in line because of fears of attacks, there would be no fear that Hillary might squeak a win in Denver. They'd be sooo afraid they'd be outed as racists?  I don't  think so.  And bullying us doesn't work either?  II suppose they might try joining with us, and having a fair convention and then, if their man wins, it would be accepted, not liked, but at least not totally fixed.  

Hillary - alternative energy
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You're Right...It Doesn't Work On Us (0.00 / 0)
and I shouldn't have referred to keeping "us" in line.

But it works beautifully on the OFB.  Remember, they're convinced they don't need us.  Evidently someone in the Obama campaign is mathematically challenged because they seem to believe they can win the nomination and election without us.

While they may be able to engineer the nomination there is no way they'll carry the election.

And they'd better be careful about flogging the racism issue.  That one's ripe for a backlash.

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not smart enough by half? (0.00 / 0)
this reminds me of some theory cooked up far away from real life, the entire marketing, and the strategies that are against fellow democrats, and not the opposition. It's made up. I still think a ham sandwich can beat McCain, so I think it's just a lot of extra depressing stuff for insider reasons, playing for some future that does not depend on working Americans. Right now it's so-called white working Americans, but when the next one runs and he isn't African American, then all working Americans.  This is a plan to change the demographics of the party, to bring in a new set of entrenched pretenders.  It's all so very retro.  And so very depressing.  It'll never be the working stiff's time, whatever ethic mix.  

Hillary - alternative energy
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One GOAL at a time (0.00 / 0)
PUMA isn't going anywhere for a LONG LONG time.

Don't let them get you down.  CONVENTION< GE< then ON TO THE NEXT STEP.

Keep STRONG.

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Parties Change (0.00 / 0)
...playing for some future that does not depend on working Americans.

Remember that the Republican party was originally the party of Abraham Lincoln.

It doesn't seem out of the question that one day Democrats will be the party of big business and Republicans will be the ones who care about people.

Come to think of it we're well on the way already.

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Off topic but - to connect with voters on economic issues, (0.00 / 0)
Obama is scheduling a "beautifully staged" photo-op (in the words of NPR's Cokie Roberts) with Warren Buffet, Robert Rubin and some other elite economists. Do you think that will reassure voters?

Let's hope he listens to their input:

July 27 (Bloomberg) -- Democrat Barack Obama said he is convening a meeting on the economy tomorrow that will include former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker and billionaire investor Warren Buffett as he pivots to the U.S. economy after a nine-day trip abroad.

``I expect some further fine-tuning of short-term policies based on what's happened over the last several months,'' Obama said in an interview last night aboard his presidential campaign plane returning to Chicago from London.


MSM: All Obama, All the Time. n/t (0.00 / 0)

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Proof of voter fraud in Virginia-watch the video! (0.00 / 0)
WTF??? (0.00 / 0)
He didn't know it was wrong.  He did it to help his mom pay her rent???

Three African-Americans inventing names to register for the primaries.  I can't imagine whose favor they were trying to stack the deck in.  And just who was going to vote those registrations?

I swear to dog I'm gonna be a racist before this campaign is over.

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I didn't know it was legal to pay for registrating voters (0.00 / 0)
Is it??

I feel bad for the young who are being used, abused and then thrown under the bus. This whole ordeal is shameful and I am beyond furious and we don't even know 10% of the shenanigans since the Medis seems to be in bed with Obama (And Edwards for that matter.)

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Media (0.00 / 0)

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I've been saying this for a while (0.00 / 0)
Obama is not even the first black man to be placed in nomination; Hillary WOULD be the first woman. It's a no-brainer. We need to push the angle that it is a display of sexism on the part of the Democratic Party to decline to give her the opportunity. And we need to do it in context of what blacks have already achieved.

Nice to see Lambert catching up. He also posted my Dreams From Our Mothers post. That was nice. :)

I'm a Stantonian Democrat.

Was Shirley Chisholm's name never placed (0.00 / 0)
in nomination?


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I don't think so. (0.00 / 0)


Medicare for All is Civil Rights
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than that's the new anna belle diary (0.00 / 0)
no women allowed in nomination - and then list all the losing men who have been in nomination.  It's another no girls allowed, a card game with Barack, Kerry, Kennedy, Dean and Dashele, with a sign, no girls allowed, and Donna serving cookies and milk?  

Hillary - alternative energy
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No. eom. (0.00 / 0)


I'm a Stantonian Democrat.
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I stand corrected (0.00 / 0)
She was, actually, and received 151.95 delegates. (They even had not-whole delegates in 1972, because it was as messed up as this election!). Check out this awesome personal story:
http://www.jofreeman.com/polhi...

Here's another great article at The Nation regarding Chisholm and Clinton: http://www.thenation.com/blogs...

I'm a Stantonian Democrat.

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Oh my effing god (0.00 / 0)
Check out this comment from The Nation article:

Is it so necessary that women compete in the presidential arena? Don't they have enough power as it is? Must they invade and occupy every last space previously inhabited by men?

That this sentiments comes naturally to someone who owns and uses a computer is all the evidence you need that sexism is so pervasive it's practically genetic. I think it may come down to us women stopping sleeping with the enemy before the group in general gets it. Lysistrata, anyone? Heh.  

I'm a Stantonian Democrat.

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Thank you for the correction (0.00 / 0)
I remember her quest for the presidency and I remember what a strong, articulate and admirable woman she was.    

Just like someone else we know...

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Thanks for the correction, and for the number of delegates. (0.00 / 0)
I was only seven at the time, but I used to watch the Democratic National Convention every year with my Grandma.  And she explained to me what a big deal it was that a woman -- a black woman, no less -- was nominated and actually got votes.  I didn't understand what the fuss was about -- of course women can be President! -- but I appreciated that she explained that to me.

That's stayed with me ever since.

And it's yet another reason we must get Hillary Clinton's name in nomination.  Some other young lady out there will see Hillary Clinton's name in nomination and be inspired.  And she will never forget it, just as I never forgot Ms. Chisholm's name in nomination.

At bare minimum, we are owed that.

And yes, I believe any move to keep her out is sexist with a capital "S."

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.

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Yes, it was. (0.00 / 0)
It was more of a "favorite daughter" thing, but yes, it was, in 1972.  I don't know how many votes she received, but her name was placed in nomination.

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.
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but nobody cares (0.00 / 0)
about sexism.  People are rewarded for sexism.  

which is not to say some don't care.  A great many do.

The point is until we live in a world where calling a womens basketball team "whores" makes a person just as toxic as calling them ""nappy headed", that angle I don't think will work.

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Excellent Point n/t (0.00 / 0)


Alice left me in Wonderland.  
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There's a chance I'll get in line and vote Democrat (0.00 / 0)
But not unless they get in line (with their own rules) and have  a straight up roll-call vote.  If Hillary's not on the ballot, I'm not voting for their fake ballot.  Period
There's a difference between the roll (0.00 / 0)
call vote and having one's name placed in nomination, FYI.

Medicare for All is Civil Rights
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Oh, there is? (0.00 / 0)
Please explain, because the article I sited above says Chisholm garnered her delegates via a role call vote. I assumed that meant her name was in nomination. I need to know the difference so I can make my arguments. Thanks!

I'm a Stantonian Democrat.
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Here: (0.00 / 0)
http://heidilipotpourri.blogsp...

Medicare for All is Civil Rights
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Her name was in nomination. She also got delegates in '72. (0.00 / 0)


There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.
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Just got a response from one of the Delegates to my letter, thought I'd share it (0.00 / 0)
"Blind loyalty, is just that" -----BLIND
Here it is: The more I spoke the truth to her, the angrier she got: Read from the Bottom-----and go up:

This is Robin's Last response, I stopped answering her.
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Hmmmm I think that 18 million has declined.  See you haven't been following current events. Unlike some of you bitter women, a lot of Hillary supporters believe as she believes, Support the Dems and that we can't have another Bush in Office.  But unfortunately, we have those who are in it that claim to support Hillary and her ideas but are so pissed they will vote McCain.  Go Obama 08..

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This is ME:

Never,-----I see  you don't go beyond his blog, or you'd see, even the NY times, isn't liking him a whole lot, alot of Press, isn't always a good idea. I do see what people like about him though, just not me and 18 million of us

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From: Robin Bryant [mailto:rhorne38@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:10 PM
To: Morgante, Sharon
Subject: RE: The Day Democracy Died - week 5

Same to you, check the news. Nothing will change he is and will be the nominee, not to mention the next President.  Can you say it?  President Obama..  :)

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Subject: RE: The Day Democracy Died - week 5
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:06:27 -0400
From: Sharon.Morgante@erie.gov
To: rhorne38@hotmail.com

as is your opinion, a little checking out the news, wouldn't hurt you, and he is the "presumptive" nominee

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From: Robin Bryant [mailto:rhorne38@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:06 PM
To: Morgante, Sharon
Subject: RE: The Day Democracy Died - week 5

those are you views but you must be reminded Hillary is not the nominee, Obama is and he is doing an excellent job!  Obama 08

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wow (0.00 / 0)
no respect for you.  

She might have said,

Dear Sam,

I'll continue to support Barack because I believe we'll have the best chance of winning by sticking with him, but I appreciate your feedback, I do have a vote that can change the world, if I'm wrong and he loses, I know that will spell disaster for vulnerable Americans and set back the cause for world peace.  

I understand you think the best way to unit is to have a real vote in Denver, but I don't agree, I think a real vote in November could result in Barack losing, and I don't want to take that chance.  

I understand that you think Hilary would have the best chance of beating John McCain, because of her majority of Democratic votes, and her big wins in those important swing states. I know you're concerned Barack will lose support among Dem's overtime because of his respect for Republican ideas, and his dearth of experience, and that those Republicans he thinks he'll gain don't respect core Democratic values and may vote for John McCain over him anyway.  I also know you think he ran a divisive campaign, and isn't taking responsibility for reuniting the party.  My personal belief is that it's your job to unite with him, so if he loses it won't be his fault for not reaching out and making your concerns his concerns according to me.  

I agree that the job of super delegates is to support the candidate best poised to win, and my belief is that the one with the best chance is Barack.

Of course if I'm wrong, we nominate Barack and he goes on to fail in regaining the white house, I'll take personal responsibility for my act.  I do know that on the surface she seems like a better candidate, more at one with Democratic core issues such as universal health care, and improving the lot of the working and out of work poor, more knowledgeable, more experienced, and I do know she beats McCain in polls that have found Barack and McCAin in a statistical tie, so I do know I'm putting my own beliefs here, that are thus far unsubstantiated, but that's my job and I get to vote for my own personal beliefs, I don't need rational explanations or expert corroboration.

Thank you for sharing your concerns,

Robin Bryant (if the truth were told)  

Hillary - alternative energy

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Your funny, my chuckle for the day (0.00 / 0)
I cannot believe the crap they actually think is reality.

as soon as she started touting the "bitter woman" speil, I knew I was wasting my time.

There must be something in that Kool-aid, we don't know about.

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it's exposed hate (0.00 / 0)
even from our own sex. And it's sort of racist too, it's white women, older white women who are called bitter and unrealistic. It's really funny, nothing we should take in, has nothing to do with us, it obviously has to do with their guilt over selecting the less qualified man, were that not so they would be able to talk to us, and explain their reasons, not just make us wrong.  Psychology 1A, but then, these are not the over-educated informed delegates they think they are.  

Hillary - alternative energy
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What Lambert said. | 36 comments
"Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what you believe in. When you stumble, keep faith. When you?re knocked down, get right back up. And NEVER listen to anyone who says you can't or shouldn't go on."
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