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Trouble in Texas - Unity Pony Escapes, Rejoins Wild Herd

by: campskunk

Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 13:54:26 PM EDT


Lots of good stuff in this Austin Statesman article; it's mostly watch and wait for Hillary supporters, as memories of dishonorable Obamazoid primary tactics linger and metastasize.

...an uncounted swath of Clinton backers, including voters who see Clinton as a groundbreaker mistreated by the media and national party, is taking a hard line in step with a national Web-driven effort dubbed PUMA (Party Unity My Ass).

Some say they will never cotton to the first-term senator from Illinois. Some fume at the way Texas delegates were chosen via the March 4 primary election and primary-night caucuses. Clinton won the primary, but Obama took more delegates because of caucus turnouts.

Well, that's understandable if they were there for the caucuses, and saw the widespread fraud with misappropriation of the sign-in packets and PIN numbers by Obama supporters. Isn't it amazing how all those Obama organizers across the state had the same idea and tactics? It's as if...

The story also contains good anecdotal evidence of specific reasons why Hillary's supporters aren't buying the Obaloney.

For some activists, at least for now, Obama suspicions simmer like summer.

Frances Morey of Austin, a Clinton delegate to the party's June state convention, noted that Obama lacks the 2,118 delegates needed to seal the nomination. (Projections put him over the threshold based on surveys of superdelegates - party dignitaries and members of Congress who don't have to commit until the convention.)

"So why is he prancing around in Europe like he's the president-elect?" Morey said this week. "I cannot vote for him. I cannot bring myself to vote for this poseur."

Morey said she'll likely skip the presidential election on her fall ballot.

Houston lawyer Abraham Levit described himself as a Clinton supporter who intends to vote for McCain unless the Arizona senator makes a foolish choice of a running mate.

"I just can't see myself voting for Obama," Levit said, listing as factors Obama's relative inexperience, what Levit views as the "ruled-by-mob" style of the primary-night caucuses, and news reports that the candidate has shifted to the right on some issues.

campskunk :: Trouble in Texas - Unity Pony Escapes, Rejoins Wild Herd
And Howie's very first tormenter on his "bus trip from hell" was quoted. Poor Howie got traumatized by PUMAs from Crawford to Charlotte. (UPDATE: masslib's got a link to Howie getting PUMA-pummeled in Atlanta in the comments). I hope he's off that bus and can get some rest now ;-)

Guila Jackson of Waxahachie confronted Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, on July 17 when he brought a voter registration drive to Crawford, near President Bush's ranch. She wanted to know how the party plans to treat Clinton at the convention. Jackson is among Clinton backers who fear the party will deter Clinton from having her name placed in nomination.

After his encounter with Jackson, Dean said: "Hillary has an absolute right to speak at the convention, has an absolute right to be nominated, and it's completely up to her how she wants to do it."

Howie, it's not just Hillary that would benefit from a Democratic Party process that looks, well, democratic. The PARTY would benefit. You know, so people can tell it apart from those parties which only exist to promote one candidate, like... ah, never mind.

Howie also repeats his "PUMAs are just Republicans" paranoia, as he does every time he's asked. Luckily, the paper checked with Will Bower before they went to press, so Will gets a word in.

Most Democrats, he said, will go for Obama much as people who supported Dean for president in 2004 finally backed the nominee, Sen. John Kerry. (um, Howie, Kerry lost. Remember? The unity pony didn't quite carry the day.)

Dean said some of PUMA's push has been inspired by McCain. Will Bower, a Washington-based spokesman for PUMA, said McCain supporters are welcome, but PUMA started with Democrats.

And here's the part I like best... the Obama campaign outreach to Hillary supporters in a nutshell. Tell, it, Sue Berkel!

Sue Berkel of Austin, a Clinton delegate to the national convention, said she called Obama's campaign to urge him to choose Clinton for vice president. A campaign worker hung up on her, Berkel said.

"That's probably not a way to reach out," said Berkel, who intends to support the ultimate nominee, but wants a floor vote on all nominees.

It's probably all for naught in Texas, anyway - nobody expects ANY Democrat to take the state in November - but the Obama supporter/Hillary supporter dynamics are the same throughout the country.

We also get a look at the superdelegates' "we'll support Obama, knowing he's gonna lose, because we'll get his money and the benefit of his voter registration drive" strategy. Like good little Obamazoids, they're sitting on their hands, waiting for instructions from Oborg Headquarters in Chicago.

Obama activists here are waiting for his Chicago-based campaign to settle on staff members and money in Texas, which could happen as early as next week - not that everyone expects Obama to win the state.

Cisneros said: "I wouldn't argue that Texas is in play" for Obama.

But Obama supporters say the campaign can help Texas Democrats by registering and turning out voters. Democrats seek to recapture a majority in the Texas House by 2011 to have a meaningful foothold when lawmakers redraw legislative and congressional districts after the 2010 U.S. census.

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yes, they're touchy on his phones (0.00 / 0)
I had a similar experience, when I called to say who i wanted to be his VP pick. Not a hang up, a gasp of horror. Or maybe she had asthma?  Many of his 'voices'  got revved up to hate her and won't stand for a competent running mate that could possibly outshine their bonny boy. It's just stupid, we're trying to help him win, by winning us, but there are egos on the path to the white house, and it may be impossible to get around them.  

Hillary - alternative energy

And, PUMA pounce Dean in Atlanta: (0.00 / 0)
http://riverdaughter.wordpress...

Medicare for All is Civil Rights

hahaha poor howie! (0.00 / 0)
he HAS to have PUMA PTSD by now- everytime he tries to get off that bus, there we are!

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.

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PUMA-pummeled? he he he (0.00 / 0)
I love that word play.  But seriously, after what happened to Bardoshevich in Wisconsin, I begin to worry about Hillary delegates being in the news. It was a relief to see in that quote that Sue Berkel of Ausin seemed to have said nothing untoward. It remains to be seen if the Wisconsin case is one meant to be an example, to warn others to be silent, or if it harbingers more public mass outspokenness prior to Denver. Either way, as the banner says, 'It's not over by a long shot!.

Still Hearting Hillary, In Slo-Mo toward McCain

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Funny NOT but the Union Leader found much the same up my way (0.00 / 0)
http://www.unionleader.com/art...

Feelings for Clinton still strong across NH

By JOHN DISTASO
Senior Political Reporter

More than six months after they squared off in a fierce New Hampshire primary campaign, and nearly two months after their bitter nomination battle was decided, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama still generate strong emotions among Granite Staters who voted in the Democratic primary.

Democratic Party officials and top elected officials have pronounced that the hard feelings among Clinton backers have been healed. The official word is that all is well, that Hillary's "nation" is now on board behind Obama.

But a sampling of rank-and-file Clinton donors contacted by the New Hampshire Union Leader in recent days indicates a mixed bag. The newspaper's review ran the gamut, finding Clinton supporters who now claim to enthusiastically back Obama and Clinton supporters who contend they will vote for Republican Sen. John McCain rather than the Illinois senator.

In the middle are Clinton backers who say they will vote for Obama because he will be their party's nominee or because they oppose the war in Iraq. These votes exude little enthusiasm for Obama, but instead a resignation that Obama would, in their view, be a better president than McCain.

Blech!.  They didn't interview any Hampsters for this poll.

By far, the most scathing criticism of Obama came from Clinton supporter Kathleen Brock of Hampton, who contributed the primary maximum of $2,300 to the New York senator.

"He revolts me," she said of Obama. "He can choose Bugs Bunny for vice president or he can choose God, presuming he doesn't think that he's God. It won't matter."

Brock acknowledged that as an independent, she voted for President George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004, but wanted to see a woman as president and especially backed Clinton's plan for universal health care coverage.

"She's a realist, an experienced, mature person who has the judgment and the strength to be president," Brock said. "And if the campaign was any proof, she can certainly take a lot of flak."

Brock holds out hope that somehow, Clinton will be "acclaimed by the convention" as the Democratic nominee. But if not, "then I'll definitely vote for McCain. I want the Democratic National Committee to get a clear message. The way they treated Hillary in Michigan and in Florida was like gang rape and we were forced to watch it.

"Obama is just some little paper boy that Howard Dean decided to get behind," she said.

PUMAS are Everywhere

Fighting for women at Partizane


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I just came into the Amherst library, and there was a van parked out front with HAMPSTER on its NH license plate! I thought I better check Alegre's corner to see what you have posted!  I'll check the Union Leader article right now.  Thanks, NewHampster!

 


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who used my name? (0.00 / 0)
My plate, seen around Bedford and Londonderry says... MOODLE

Modular
Object
Oriented
Dynamic
Learning
Environment

Heck of an acronym for the open source code that is most of my life.

Fighting for women at Partizane


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p.s. (0.00 / 0)

I read the UL article -- on the front page, no less!  Finally, something important gets on a front page.

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Did my weekly letter to the SD's, one of them answered, thought I'd share it (0.00 / 0)
The more I hit her with the truth, the anger started to come out, as you'll be by her last comment below.
I stopped at this point, I knew I was wasting my TIME. Read from the bottom up,

Robin ends here.

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Hmmmm I think that 18 million has declined.  See you haven't been following current events. Unlike some of you bitter women, a lot of Hillary supporters believe as she believes, Support the Dems and that we can't have another Bush in Office.  But unfortunately, we have those who are in it that claim to support Hillary and her ideas but are so pissed they will vote McCain.  Go Obama 08..

ME: my last response:

Never,-----I see  you don't go beyond his blog, or you'd see, even the NY times, isn't liking him a whole lot, alot of Press, isn't always a good idea. I do see what people like about him though, just not me and 18 million of us

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From: Robin Bryant [mailto:rhorne38@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:10 PM
To:
Subject: RE: The Day Democracy Died - week 5

Same to you, check the news. Nothing will change he is and will be the nominee, not to mention the next President.  Can you say it?  President Obama..  :)

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Subject: RE: The Day Democracy Died - week 5
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:06:27 -0400
From:
To: rhorne38@hotmail.com

as is your opinion, a little checking out the news, wouldn't hurt you, and he is the "presumptive" nominee

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From: Robin Bryant [mailto:rhorne38@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:06 PM
To:
Subject: RE: The Day Democracy Died - week 5

those are you views but you must be reminded Hillary is not the nominee, Obama is and he is doing an excellent job!  Obama 08


Maine seniors (0.00 / 0)

I have a friend who is an Obama supporter in Maine. She just sent me a message saying she was doing some volunteer work at the Dems office in Portland today, calling seniors to see what they're thinking.  Anyway my friend expressed great surprise to find out so many of Maine seniors are not at all crazy about Obama.

The Maine caucus voters of course went for Obama.  If Maine were a primary instead of a caucus, a lot more seniors would have cast their votes! And more voters might have yielded a different outcome. We need a national movement to get rid of the anti-democratic caucuses, with their pathetically low turnouts. The Maine caucus had a 4.8% turnout.  Right next door, the NH primary had an over 50% turnout.


Lying Snake (0.00 / 0)
"Dean said some of PUMA's push has been inspired by McCain."

Dean knows d@mn well PUMA is about Democrats.  In a normal year we would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the polls to vote for McCain.  The fact that we're even considering it this year screams volumes about how badly Dean has botched this process.


Expect November Voting Fraud (0.00 / 0)
With such a push to register people, and Obama's cult like followers, there will be a lot of voter fraud this November

Cuomo's off the reservation too (0.00 / 0)
Here's what he had to say:

"I'm unhappy with the current presidential race, so much so that I haven't endorsed Obama or Hillary (Clinton), though I'm well-known to be a Democrat," Cuomo said. "I am not endorsing because I don't think they've been specific enough. We have these big, big issues, and the political theory is: 'I don't want to get into the specifics, because if I do I'm going to get into trouble.' "

You can find the whole report here:

http://timesunion.com/AspStori...


Mario (0.00 / 0)

I'm not quite sure what he means by endorsement, since the primaries are over.  Maybe he's a SD, and he hasn't decided how he's voting?

and Hillary is always very detailed and specific in her plans, so he must be talking about Obama on the lack of specifics.  

I'm glad he's unhappy with the presumptive nominee.  So am I!


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I don't think Hillary could be more specific. (0.00 / 0)
What on earth does he mean?  Did he mean between Obama and McCain?

Medicare for All is Civil Rights

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my questions! (0.00 / 0)
I thought he might have meant Obama and McCain too.  I think Mario's point though is he's not really thrilled with the presumptive nominee!

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The "get over it strategy" (0.00 / 0)
... has to be the most tin-eared in modern political history. Sure, most abused caucusers are in red states that won't matter in Nov (the 36 state strategy ;), but the word gets out. As the Hillary campaign told the press, there were 2000 complaints of irregularities and illegalities in 8000 precincts. Most caucus state Hillary people saw this with their own eyes, and aren't warming to the idea of joining a criminal campaign.

Kudos to the Austin paper for a little actual reporting.
It should send shock waves that DNC delegates are reporting this in the press. Just another day with with the mainstream media and it's enablers in the so-called liberal blogosphere.


complaints and irregularities (0.00 / 0)

What are the election integrity groups doing?  Why aren't they up in arms about 2000 irrgularities and illegalities?  Has Lou Dobbs been focusing on this?
 

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Heh (0.00 / 0)
The supreme irony here is all of the goo goo people are on the Change express or are singularly unconcerned that we have a malignancy on our own side, worse than the GOP white whale they have built their careers fighting. Some of the email exchanges I've had with voting rights crusaders show they're better at mental gymnastics than Nadia Comaneci was at the real thing.

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Lou Dobbs has had a few shows focusing on the caucuses early on, Sharyn. (0.00 / 0)
Otherwise, PJ is quite right, and other than a bit from Lou Dobbs (who sincerely detests Obama, for mostly the same reasons we do), I have seen almost nothing about the caucus irregularities.  Mostly, ONN and MSNBO seem to hope this goes away -- and Fox News has been more concerned with trying to get McCain's name out there and counter the kiddies-with-Obama movement (some are kids at heart, granted) in some small fashion.

As I've said before, if you have to distort your values out of recognition, you're backing the wrong candidate.

One of the reasons I know I'm backing the right one is because I've never had to do this.  I know who Hillary R. Clinton is; she's a pragmatist, centrist with progressive tendencies, and wants to help the poor, working and middle classes of this country as she knows that's the only way for stability in the long run as well as the medium and short runs.

Maybe I should pity the O-bots for their "mental gymnastics," as PJ called 'em, but I can't.  They're distorting their values, and if they thought about that for one minute, they'd realize they've in essence sold at least a small part of their soul -- for nothing.

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.


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Great post, Camp (0.00 / 0)
The Unity Pony has left the building and Team Obama has united the country against them. NObama 08!

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

Great diary (0.00 / 0)
Dean couldn't be a lamer duck. So now it is all up to Hill. Well we all know how this will go....

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