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We're not finished folks - not by a long shot!

How Obama Rigged the Caucuses to Win the Nomination

by: Pacific John

Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 21:29:07 PM EST


BTD posted The Primary Wars this morning before we Californians were out of bed, so I'll post my thoughts here.

The prelude to the caucus story is that it has never been told except among witnesses and loyalists because the press didn't report the Hillary campaign's allegations, much less interview any witnesses or review any documents - you know, journalism.

All sides admit that the press was heavily biased in favor of Obama and against Hillary. This came into play at every turn, since the media was unwilling to do normal investigations, and crafted conventional wisdom that Obama was pure and Hillary would "knee cap" an opponent. The Hillary campaign did issue press releases effectively alleging systematic voter fraud by the Obama organization, but even these explosive, unprecedented complaints were disappeared from the initial version of history. The silence of the reporting was so pervasive that most Hillary people never heard about the Nevada press release. There was nothing more the Hillary campaign could have said to get the attention of the media that wouldn't have created a backlash from the institutions that were fully invested in Obama's story.

Here's modified version of the thumbnail sketch I wrote in response to BTD's belief that Obama did not rig any part of the primary process, which he hasn't yet responded to.

How Obama Stole Caucus Delegates

If you haven't done so yet, please listen to the witnesses in the film I helped produce, We Will Not Be Silenced.

What these people say mirrors what we know about the Alice Palmer race, that Obama's organizers used procedural techniques to cheat the voters. In the Il state Senate race, Obama operatives knocked all of his primary challengers, including Senator Palmer, off the ballot by challenging petition signatures. He did this at the last minute, so there was not adequate time fight the challenges. I'm told that after Obama was successful, Palmer knocked on every single door of her rejected voters, and found that each one was legal. Palmer campaigned for Hillary. (Here's the CNN account of the controversy.)

In our film, a witness in Iowa says how Obama people pumped up their own tally, and suppressed Hillary numbers. In a caucus, this is perfectly legal, since any challenge would be heard by a majority-Obama committee, not a district attorney. This was a common story. Staff and volunteers repeat the same basic story, that in caucuses where Obama operatives controlled the check-in desk or otherwise controlled the caucus, they padded their numbers by waiving through Obama supporters, and stonewalling people who were likely to be Hillary supporters, like the elderly women mentioned in the film.

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Pacific John :: How Obama Rigged the Caucuses to Win the Nomination
This pattern continued through every caucus state, and the press strenuously ignored it. In Nevada, there was similar systematic fabrication of Obama votes and suppression of Hillary votes. I have an affidavit that makes people cry, an account of Obama organizers threatening the job of a Hispanic service worker with her job, in front of her child - one of many such stories.

In Washington state, party leaders issued direction to not check ID in neighborhoods friendly to Obama. In Kansas, with huge 4+ thousand person caucus sites, there are no records to audit allegations that OFA organizers padded their numbers, which I believe they did. There are few records in any caucus state aside from Texas that show that caucusers were legal voters (and many of the Texas records are either doctored or illegible).

This use of the rules was applied wherever there were not laws to stop it, but the biggest example was Texas, with about 750,000 caucus-goers and an elaborate paper trail.

I was there as an area captain who also ran the triage desk. I had direct oversight of much of El Paso. By mid-morning, we knew independently what the HQ in Austin did, that there was a systematic effort to gather blank caucus forms, and illegally submit the names of people who did not attend the caucuses. We have a witness in the film who overheard some of the planning for this, and many witnesses who reported manipulation of the sign-in sheets. In El Paso, we have a number of affidavits from people who witnessed OFA organizers falsifying forms.

I've been a field director since the mid-'90s, and I would never have believed a Democratic campaign was capable of this if I hadn't seen the evidence. This is something I only would have expected from a Republican campaign, but this was worse than anything I've seen from dirty GOP campaigns I've seen here on the Central Coast.

Obama is a Chicago pol of the Alinsky school of political organizing in which effective action is, by definition, amoral. Any means within the law are to be used. And in a caucus, essentially everything is within the law if you have the voting majority to ratify your work or reject opposing allegations.

The Result

Obama had everything break his way, and all of the major institutions behind him: party committees, the press, and big money. He ran a tight primary campaign, even though it was ultimately ineffective at winning the majority of Democrats. In the final tally, he won by approximately 17 pledged delegates, once the DNC let FL and MI voters be represented.

If everything had not broken his way, if this story was available to the voters, I don't think he would have won.

Peniel Cronin did the only comprehensive review of the numerical role of caucuses in the Democratic primary, finding that, in the end, all of Obama's lead in pledged delegates came from caucuses that awarded more delegates to Obama than if there had been state run elections.  We saw this in Texas: in the only major towns that were orderly enough to report over 50% of caucus results on election day (a low bar to be sure), the same-day primary results were essentially identical to the caucus results. Yet statewide, in utter chaos where some counties never publicly reported their results (!), Obama got a 16% boost, winning by 12.5% instead of his 3.5% popular vote loss. [last two numbers fixed]

But numbers can be sterile. Since politics is a game of momentum, or more precisely, apparent momentum, it's pretty obvious that Obama had to create the illusion of inevitability by manipulating the caucuses.

In El Paso, we had one of the most well run campaign offices of either campaign in any major caucus city, and were able to systematically stop or reverse the Obama vote theft strategy. We typically had two or three trained people at each precinct, and won over 70% of the final caucus vote. Most caucuses were orderly, if you can call an hours-long ordeal in cold weather orderly. Because of our tight organization, we were able to do something we haven't seen elsewhere: we methodically surveyed every precinct for irregularities beyond which had been reported on election day. Our script was neutral, "Are you aware of any problems at your precinct convention from either campaign?," and we found the patterns I discuss above. The only ding on our El Paso Campaign was that the county convention allocated too many at large delegates to Hillary, a procedural issue. But on election day, a full court press of vote theft was stopped dead in its tracks, something we can't say about caucuses elsewhere in Texas and other states.

We Will Not Be Silenced

I'm afraid I never properly told the back story to the documentary, as I realized in a recent email exchange with lambert.

The film came about when a former Congressional investigator contacted award winning documentarian Gigi Gaston, who had helped campaign for Hillary, producing the pro-Hillary Sophie B. Hawkins music video. Their goal was to "keep Hillary's options open," as the primaries came to an end. My purpose was similar, I wanted the story to be available in case the press started to treat Obama like a regular candidate, and to put the testimonials in the record for the day when people finally asked where this guy came from.

The investigator and Gigi contacted me after they already had quite a bit of interview footage - they found me via Google after my widely published account from El Paso. I thought we had been through hell in EL Paso, but as I came to find, we had it easy. We found endless accounts from other cities and states, most of which we didn't even get on film. I have a stack of affidavits showing falsification of documents, fabricated delegate counts, stolen PIN numbers, you name it, all of which we caught and corrected because Hillary people had the majority in Hispanic towns, but almost none of it is in the movie. I ended up using my expertise with the caucus system to help produce footage from everywhere else.

We Will Not Be Silenced is on YouTube, but we never consciously drew public attention to it. We designed it to inform DNC delegates about this otherwise untold story. We had help from top Hillary supporters to broadcast it to members of Congress and their chiefs of staff on a secure website, with a few thousand viewings, then put it on YouTube when we maxed-out our bandwidth. The best-case scenario was that the film would explain Hillary's rightful legitimacy in the case that party elders faced a Gary Hart-style crisis, and the final scenario was that it helped galvanize Hillary delegates in what became the ultimate caucus in Denver, where all manner of tricks were used to shave Hillary's delegate count.

So that's the story. The film exists on YouTube as part of the historical record, an artifact of an unprecedented Democratic Primary in which the "winner" does not have traditional legitimacy.

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HIstory will show.... (0.00 / 0)
Clinton was too strong a politician.
SHE would have run the oval office like an experienced politico who
had the experience and knew where the so-called bodies were hid. She whould have gotten the job done, no bickering or pandering.

But Pelosi and Reid and the vile rules committee wanted to be the puppet masters while their lab dog BHO played the comic relief.
But they didn't have the spines to control their own party.

BHO rode to victory because the American people wanted a strong leader to overturn the mess 'W' made, instead they got a wishy-washy panderer who was to worried about his own place in history. And some wonder why his approval rating is so low.

'My friend across the aisle' became the minority that still call the shots. 'The will of the people' turned into continued unemployment and home foreclosures. 'Change you can believe in' became additional bank bailouts. Financial reform, well basically a mandate on how much to pay at Christmas bonus time. And my favorite, 'HOPE' became anything but.

Now throw in the spineless caving of the health care buy-in and.....
It's too sad.
HOPE indeed.  


Thanks for compiling this historical record. (0.00 / 0)
The comments on the BTD link, reacting to one of Hillary's best moments in the campaign IMO, are surprisingly introspective.  Obama remorse is building.  If there's any chance at all of creating a moral case for switching candidates in 2012, this story will be an important part of it.  As people we know become ready to hear the truth, we should be prepared to share it.

*****A


Thank you. (0.00 / 0)
Your work is greatly appreciated.
Unfortunately, as a result of these shenanigans (a nice word for crimes and immorality), our party is now run by folks who (1) think you primary challenge a strong incumbent senator with a weak inexperienced general election candidate, then (2) expect him to vote with you after he wins as an independent, and then (3) think the way to lobby him is by starting a petition drive asking for his wife to be fired by the charity for which she volunteers(?).  

When you get a chance, check out kos or FDL or mydd - - (0.00 / 0)
rather than admit they were all hoodwinked and / or co-conspirators, IT'S ALL LIEBERMAN'S FAULT!!!!

When you confronted fraud in El Paso (0.00 / 0)
was it pretty easy to stop, or did they put up a fuss? Of course, they could pretend it was a misunderstanding and walk away; would presume that's what they did.

You must have been in hypervigilant mode that day. And how many days ahead of time did it take to organize your system? How many players assisted you? (I can review your original account...think you mentioned it there.)


It went by levels (0.00 / 0)
We couldn't stop the worst stuff, but immediately took witness statements, then, since we controlled party offices, corrected the errors in a 100% auditing process. We had staff in the local TDP offices who shared our information with the local party people. Our people were eventually kicked out as a couple of Obama moles fostered chaos, but we did correct the really bad stuff, like false totals and falsified documents.

We were all over the issue of stolen packets, and stopped a number of Obama operatives from seizing control from the majority.

Since we had carefully ID'd the local Obama party people, we put staff or top vols over the shoulders of suspected troublemakers, including people who had stolen packets.

BTW, along the Rio Grande, the Obama field organization had crumbled, and they primarily relied on a hail mary of out of state attorneys and operatives who often did their best to manipulate the vote. Our operation was transparent, and we even had TV crews and Obama people (who we had flipped) at caucus training. Our belief was that we would benefit from an orderly process that scrupulously followed the rules, after stories from other states where BHO-induced rowdiness benefited his side.

My evening went like this: Our field director slotted me into the biggest caucus where we didn't have a trained Hillary person. I trained a few volunteers from the (huge) line so the precinct was able to self-organize. I found my BHO counterpart and the most interested BHO supporters, and made them part of everything I did with the Hillary people. So my little tsunami was tamed, and in a heavily working class Hispanic neighborhood, BHO was barely viable with roughly 17 of 200 voters.

My campaign cell was ringing the whole time with crises in my precincts and at HQ. Once my site came up with a set of procedures for voter ID and preference, I spent most of the time on other precincts. We heard about stolen PIN numbers, disruption, confusion, typical procedural problems, the whole range, but most problems were from out of town BHO operatives.

In one case that I've mentioned, one of my favorite precinct captains called, and excitedly told me that Obama people grabbed the packet, and were running things without having the required election of officers, which their side would have lost, and of course would only include voters, not out of state staff. I tried my best diplomacy, and tried to resolve it by talking to the BHO operative, and when that didn't work, I tried to have my very nice BHO counterpart mediate, but by then, the rogue operative was refusing to talk to me. I got various updates: our precinct captain was not allowed to be part of the delegate allocation process, she was ordered to stay away from the table with the documents, and finally when the BHO thug called in an upside down, fabricated delegate count. Of course, I was on the phone a lot with the lawyer I was partnered with, who was swamped and alone back at HQ, playing traffic cop, sharing information between precincts so a trick tried here was thwarted there.

The epilogue to this precinct's story was that at the county convention a few weeks later, the mostly elderly county delegates finally saw their falsified count corrected. When it came time to choose their delegate to the state convention in Austin, these, well, heroes, who had stuck though all of the abuse, and 14 hours at the county convention, had one member who was young and well enough for the bus trip to Austin. But since their state delegate was broke, these hard working, great citizens, literally dug through their change purses to gather the money it took so their neighborhood's vote for Hillary would make it to Austin. These are the people of Texas and other states who Obama stole or tried to steal votes from, but this small group rose above his abuse.

That day was busier than the craziest corporate crisis I've ever seen, and I was pretty dispassionate about events, even when it became clear to us that we were facing an opponent who deserves jail, but the human story of that precinct did get to me, and still does.


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OK so in general chaos was a first-level tactic (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for getting all of this down. Another outer ring of people are ALMOST ready to injest this stuff.

You're no naive first-time wide-eyed idealist. So it's always gripping reading your accounts, something really struck you - or the critical mass is what struck you.

Am thinking of that concept - governing at the "consent of the governed". Is that it?


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Oh wait - remember now (0.00 / 0)
it was the demographics of the bullies and that of the bullied. At least that's what struck me about a story an AA Oregon Hillary vol shared about a Washington caucus she witnessed and was counsel to. She worked out of the Portland office and said after what she saw knew she could not support him in G.E.

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PJ, why did Obama do this? (0.00 / 0)
I know this is a naïve-sounding question -- but really, why did Obama do this?

He had to know he wasn't ready for the gig in his heart-of-hearts; he was a "rock star," not a serious candidate when it came to policy initiatives or anything else.  And his whole campaign was run on a "cult of personality" thing where "Change you can believe in" and "Hope" were used as the "brand" -- something I find incredibly offensive, this "branding" of candidates, btw.

His staff had some experienced people in it who had never acted this way in previous campaigns.  Axelrod in particular wasn't thought of as a thug.  Plouffe had a halfway decent reputation from what I can gather . . . why did they start playing to their weakest elements in their own personalities, all of 'em -- Obama, Plouffe, and especially Axelrod?

Is power that addictive, that these men -- who were seemingly honorable and decent men aside from politics -- felt the need to not only win at any cost, but use scorched earth tactics in the process?

And the whole issue of why the DNC got behind Obama needs to be addressed as well.  I keep saying the DNC is to blame -- and they are -- but I don't understand why they went whole-hog for this guy as a body.  (I do understand why Nancy Pelosi wanted Obama; she could wrap him around her thumb, as we're seeing right now.)

Any reasonable public servants should've realized that after eight years of deregulation, two wars, a budgetary surplus in '00 when Bill Clinton left office turned into a huge budgetary deficit in '08 when Bush was the outgoing POTUS that the country needed a firm hand; someone who knew the score, who'd be up to speed quickly, and most of all, someone who would not give pep talks to the Senate (or anyone else) when they most needed leadership.

That person was Hillary Clinton.

The DNC members who willingly turned their faces to the wall, or supported Obama for whatever cynical reasons of their own, should all burn in Hell.  (I know that's harsh.  But they caused major misery and strife, which is still ongoing.  They could've checked Obama; they chose not to do so, aside from a few like Tina Flournoy and of course Harold Ickes, two people I admire greatly.)

And the major media, who refused to examine Obama (aside from three people whom I believe were fair -- Greta van Susteran, Lou Dobbs, and Dan Abrams), should join the DNC, because if either one of them had done their jobs, we would not be at this pass!

Damn you, DNC!  Damn you, major media!

Hillary 2012!

Btw, excellent, excellent article.


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Btw, Hell isn't a literal place . . . or at least doesn't have to be. (0.00 / 0)
I was a bit stronger than I meant, but reading PJ's article really upset me greatly.

The DNC needs, shall we say, a serious attitude adjustment.  And I am serious that anyone who refused to check or 'vet Obama needs to be shown the door.

Hillary Clinton should be our President right now.

And I still don't understand why anyone would want to do as much as the Obama campaign did, merely to preside over the country continuing to fail.  (Which is the logical result of having an inexperienced person at the helm.)

And FWIW, I still feel badly for Alice Palmer.  (Deity bless her.)

Hillary 2012.


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It's making sense why they demonized HRC - to justify caucus strategies (0.00 / 0)
Plouffe, in his book, had still not let go of his grudge against HRC when Obama was thinking of nominating her for veep. Like George H.W. Bush not being able to look Jimmy Carter in the eye after all these years.

It was projection. He hated her for her primary "tactics".


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Barb - a lot of people wanted a shot (0.00 / 0)
at a legacy that would be tough to get their name attached to if Clinton was president. Everyone knew Hillary was going to be an incredibly aggressive president because she has that decades long history of getting stuff done for ordinary people.

Part of what happened with the DC crowd was professional jealousy that Hillary's star power as president would be so great that it would thoroughly eclipse the work of the legislators. What Obama offered up was the chance, instead, for individuals to make their mark at a time in history when change would be possible. So Kennedy signs on because he can own the health care reform if Obama wins but knows he cannot do so if Clinton wins. Kerry signs on because he wants to be SOS, and thinks he stands a better shot of having an outsized role with an Obama administration rather than a Clinton admin where Holbrooke or Mitchell would be appointed. The Democrats were all out for themselves - that's part of how this happened.


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That much makes sense, Lorelynn. (0.00 / 0)
I'll tell you what -- I can see what you're saying.  The party fragmented because the leadership fragmented . . . and the Obama campaign played into that whole deal insofar as every politician you named wanted a big role with the Obama cabinet -- but none of them succeeded in getting it.

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.

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There's not a single, unified theory (0.00 / 0)
... for why Obama's people did what they did and why all of the powerful institutions lined up behind him, but here are a few discrete things that stood out:

As Catfish notes, a lot of Obama people projected their own worst motives onto Hillary, who of course is a much nicer person and better public servant than the attacks suggest. This happened at all levels, from Plouffe down.

At the upper level of the campaign, the caucus strategy was just business. It was simply the distasteful work that needed to be done to win. It was Alinsky's Machiavelli for the masses misappropriated and to be used against working class Democrats of all (non-AA) ethnicities. The BHO lawyers we ran into were a lot like the guy in the Alice Palmer CNN report, polished cynics. One example: the BHO supporter who lodged the successful complaint against the El Paso county convention, crafted the complaint in part as a smokescreen to cover up voter fraud. The initial caucus results were approximately 69% Hillary, but once we corrected the delegate theft I outlined above, we had a boost of 4 or 5 percent in the county convention roll, much of which was due to corrected fraud. The BHO challenge to the state convention, approved by the BHO kangaroo court majority, rolled back that correction to the records, and only gave Hillary 69%. BTW, the state credentials committee simply rubber stamped BHO challenges and dismissed HRC challenges. The delegate allocation didn't budge from election day, so the process ultimately sets in concrete the initial irregularities. That's the way it's done. Business. Counting people who never attended, or whose ID wasn't verified was also largely just business, and seems certain to have come from the top of the campaign.

At lower levels of loyalists and volunteers, especially among inexperienced activists, they didn't know any better. They learned politics during the Bush era, admired Rove's winning ruthlessness, and despised the less aggressive tactics of Gore's and Kerry's campaigns. I don't think they thought about it too much, but they clearly assumed that opposing Dem primary campaigns were also ruthless. They did assume that Hillary would "do anything to win," "steal the primary," etc., so that's what they did, the portion of, shall we say, entrepreneurial, activists who would fill in whole sheets of missing preference with, "BO."

And then there was the matter of liberal identity among Obama's base of upper-income, upper education, white, mostly male supporters, the Daily Kos/MoveOn netroots demographic. Surveys reliably showed that 90% of Daily Kos members supported Obama, but of course they only represented a shade under half the party, and a lot less if you factor in that they do not legitimately represent the economic policies of African Americans. Obama's ideological base is probably 1/3 of the party, and they acted like it. They knew at some level that they were part of an illegitimate coup against the working class base, who they either demeaned as racists (whites), or willfully ignored (Asians, Hispanics, Native Americans, South Asians....). See Chris Bowers' classic post on the Creative Class, or Donna Brazile's statement that workers and Hispanics were no longer necessary, for the way they thought about class and race. The Obama base felt impotent in the face of Bush's conservatism, and were desperate to take power, so they stepped over the base of the party to do it.

Oh, and there's one more big factor: a campaign of any length always takes on the personality of the candidate. You see it in the type of volunteers who come through the door, in the letters to the editor, in the way staff and supporters act in public. Hillary's campaign won the last few months, largely with of her loyal grassroots, because her ethic is that hard work and fair play will be rewarded. She was willing to put in the work, and so were her loyalists. Obama's campaign appeared to me to have a dispassionate sense that his tougher tactics were fair game. The endless screaming of his noise machine charging the Clintons with racism, which stopped when his S.C. press secretary was caught red handed pushing the narrative with Tim Russert and the entire DC media establishment, was encouraged at the top. They had a tight campaign, and great message control, just like Obama.


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Thanks, PJ, for your additional comments. (0.00 / 0)
So if you were to sum it up, Obama's campaign attracted three groups -- white, affluent men who were computer savvy; cynics; the true believers.  And while we can, to a degree, work with the white, affluent men and with the cynics, the true believers went into this because they were inexperienced, and went along with the cynics because they believed this was the only way to win.

Hillary Clinton, OTOH, attracted many people who were drawn to her sense of fair play, and how she continued to focus on the issues -- rarely did she get rattled about the media bias, though I'm sure she didn't appreciate it.

Maybe the reason I continue to feel betrayed is because I feel my sense of fair play was violated (as it certainly was) by the Obama campaign along with their DNC buddies.

The next question is, how can we take back our party before it's too late?

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.


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those operatives knew for sure (0.00 / 0)
that they had no place in a HRC white house.  They appealed to Barry's sense of vanity.  They thought of him as "the talent" whom they could manipulate and so we got a vainglorious know nothing as president.

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That Hillary clip in BTD's diary (0.00 / 0)
classic. Man already seems so long ago.

Your timing for this article is amazing. (0.00 / 0)
I believe I had a response video posted to one of your videos, and if I am recalling correctly, I had posted for over 6 months, within two days of my moving it elsewhere you put up this article.

http://www.DailyPUMA.com

http://www.BLOGGERSAGAINSTCHASEBANK.com

http://www.DailyPROTEST.com


Thanks, PD. (0.00 / 0)
The story needs to be told.  

See Sharyn's diary - Balz' book "Battle for America" touches on this (0.00 / 0)
only briefly.

I remember Bill Clinton being outraged, saying "my daughter and I" saw stuff happen right in front of them.

Imagine the shamelessness - right in front of Bill and Chelsea.  


Oops - link (0.00 / 0)
http://www.partizane.com/node/... Vilsack and his wife did not recognize scores of people at their caucus.

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When I first vol'd for the campaign... (0.00 / 0)
was when I got to hear first person accounts from Iowa. One staffer who had worked in a Des Moines neighborhood for months tells that at the caucus, there were a large number of people no one had ever seen, and a lot of Il plates in the parking lot.

A piece of campaign wisdom that this young-ish staffer offers is that caucuses are all about initial media reports. If you can tell the press that you had 58% of total preference, nothing from then on matters.


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One woman I talked to caucused in a (0.00 / 0)
small, rural neighborhood where she'd lived her whole life. The seniors lined up an hour beforehand as they always do and stood in line chatting amiably to wile away the time. Right before the doors opened, a busload of young African Americans arrived to participate. The doors were immediately thrown open and the kids were admitted first. They took all the available seats and left the seniors standing. The rudeness was astounding. But what really shook the woman up is that she did not know who any of these kids were or where they could have come from.

It also brings to mind another story that sums up the pettiness and entitlement of the Obama crowd. One of the women in Denver caucused in an urban area in Kansas which everyone knew was going to go big for Obama. The doors to the caucus open and she and her 14 other pro-Hillary friends get in and take a seat. The Obama crowd keeps pouring and pouring in. It is the biggest turn out by far for this neighborhood in recent history. Finally, all the seats are taken and the Obama people are still pouring in. The caucus actually held a vote to decide if the Clinton people should have to give up their seats and stand so that Obama supporters could sit.

Obama brought out the ugly like nothing I've seen since the Reagan campaign.  


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That last minute rush story (0.00 / 0)
is very common. It had a few effects that benefited Obama which I suspect were intentional. It made the lines appear extra long, clogged the doors, and made for a rowdy atmosphere, something that is too much for many regular voters. It brings to mind the '04 stories from Ohio where the GOP created long lines with too few voting machines, clearly designed to discourage turnout, only the rush technique is designed to dissuade the rushees.

Caucuses aren't friendly to busy working families or people with disabilities, and the last minute rush clearly suppressed both.

At my caucus, I saw a number of voters in this overwhelmingly Hillary neighborhood vote, lean toward the line that went to the end of the block, and turn to walk to their car. All of these discouraged voters in their 30s or 40s. If we had been rushed by a busload of rowdy caucusers, we would have lost 1/4 of our voters.

Oddly, I have never heard a last minute rush story that happened in a Hillary precinct where Hillary people checked ID. Odd, that. It's almost as if it was coordinated, which of course it was. Buses cost money. Maybe that was one of the "staging, sound and lighting" services OFA contracted for during the campaign against Hillary. IIRC, the bulge in that spending occurred in March '08.


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Which state - heard stories like this (0.00 / 0)
Tried to tell my 'bot dad, but he wasn't buying it.

Oddly, when I volunteered a weekend in Portland, OR, a state with no caucuses, we saw a bunch of Obama buses just after he spoke at one of those outdoor campaign concerts. There were tons of people out to hear the very popular musician (name escapes me) already, so it was puzzling all these buses were there. Nice buses, and the passengers were very high up off the ground (who flipped us off as we held up our Hillary signs amid a sea of bot fans.)

Wonder if those buses just went from state to state. When Clinton ran in 1992, they had two buses, one for the Clintons and one for the Gores. In Portland he hadn't even picked a veep.


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I only interviewed one person (0.00 / 0)
who saw this, in Kansas, but since the convention, friends who vol'd in other caucus states say they are aware of it in other places.

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This is an excellent diary: (0.00 / 0)
http://www.partizane.com/node/...

It's of the quality that reminds me of what the blogosphere used to be good for, researching issues to illuminate stories that the corporate media was botching.


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And read this for the inside story (0.00 / 0)
as to how the Michigan and Florida primary got moved up:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

In Michigan, only ONE Democrat, Jennifer Granholm, ultimately supported the move to an earlier primary and Michigan was docked half of it's delegates for the actions of ONE person.  


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Gov. Granholm was a HRC supporter, wasn't she? (0.00 / 0)
I think they went punitive against her, and her state, because Michigan supported Hillary, the DNC knew it, and the DNC knew they'd not be able to convince anyone in Michigan that Obama had "won" the state.

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.

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Publicly. she endorsed Clinton but (0.00 / 0)
it was her action, long after the DNC had made clear that they would dock delegates, that allowed them to do so. Every single Democrat in the legislature voted against that bill. It passed only with Republican votes. It was Granholm's signature that allowed the DNC to hand the nomination to Obama.

Personally, I think she was in on the deal. Otherwise, why would she sign a bill that the entire Democratic legislature opposed and which was going to get her state docked delegates? Why do that?  


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I don't know, Lorelynn. (0.00 / 0)
I honestly don't know why Gov. Granholm did that, except it's something the two Senators (including Levin) mentioned -- they were really upset that no one seemed to care about Michigan's plight, and had hopes that an early primary date might actually focus some attention on their state.

I'd say the attempt to bring help to Michigan backfired.

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.


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The simplest explanation is the most likely. (0.00 / 0)
She was in the tank for Obama and it wa s anecessary step to make sure Clinton didn't win = because without her signature, Obama probably wouldn't have gotten the nomination.  

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Dr. Lynette Long (0.00 / 0)
Does anyone know how to get a copy of the report written by Dr. Lynette Long on the scandal of the Democratic caucuses?  I have tried every which way but cannot find her report or get access to it. It would be very helpful to our discussion if we could get access.

Anyone know how?


It's linked on the left hand side of the front page. (0.00 / 0)
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Many Knew The Caucus Is A Bad Thing... (0.00 / 0)
...and could easily be tweaked in favor of one person.  Beelzubama and his group used every underhanded trick in the book starting with playing the race card.  The caucus should just be done away with, pick one day where every state holds a primary and be done with it.  I remember how the dems howled over the evilness of gwb, yet gwb II is just as bad if not worse.  Karma is a big fat biatch.

"Say What You Will...It Feels So Good"


So what happens now (0.00 / 0)
Peggy Noonan (I know, I know) penned a column recently that people can't tolerate incompetence. That Republicans would rather have a left-wing leader than an incompetent one.
There is the growing perception of incompetence, of the inability to run the machine of government. This, with Americans, is worse than Obama's rebranding as a leader who governs from the left. Americans demand baseline competence. If he comes to be seen as Jimmy Carter was, that the job was bigger than the man, that will be the end.

He can't be impeached. He already looks really tired. It hasn't been a complete year yet. Could he be a lame-duck for the next three? Will somebody provide him with a peaceful yet face-saving out?


Maybe (0.00 / 0)
he can say that he needs to step down for his family.

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Cat....don't go soft on us. (0.00 / 0)

The f*cker doesn't deserve anything but absolute total humiliation.  I plan to do whatever I can in 2012 to unseat the bas*ard at the end of his first term.

He's a disgrace!

(Hmmm.  Want to know how I really feel?)


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CC - I will go soft if it means we get someone better! (0.00 / 0)
If demanding an apology means we're stuck with him longer than soft I will proudly go!

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Well OK, under those circumstances..... (0.00 / 0)
I'll go with you.

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I had seen most of this before (0.00 / 0)
but this really brings it all back.  I didn't understand at the time, and still don't get it, why so many people who were supporters of Hillary turned and voted for Obama in the general election.

Obama did get the majority of her votes in the end and wouldn't be president otherwise.  I could never do it and didn't.


I have friends who were Hillary supporters.... (0.00 / 0)
...and then did a 180 and preached the Gospel according to Barack as if he was the second coming.

We actually got in arguments - mainly because my husband and I vowed NEVER EVER to support the Empty Suit.

Sadly my anger still lies just below the surface.  I guess that makes me thin-skinned!

That's a  BIG YUP!


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You're not alone (0.00 / 0)
I've watched the smarmy "I give myself a B-plus/A-minus, no A because 10% unemployment" clip about a dozen times even though it spikes the blood pressure.

(Did he really say all that? Yes, he did!)


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I really don't get it either (0.00 / 0)
how so many were so fooled.  

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Howard Dean (0.00 / 0)
and for his part in helping O win, he got NOTHING. Dean was out there today bashing the weak bill saying scrap it. basically saying they are caving in to Lieberman. he might as well said O is spineless.

you see the Clintons are loyal and Dean would not have been thrown under the bus if he helped her like he did O


Howard Dean should've known better. (0.00 / 0)
Excellent point, Amy . . . how did this man, and so many other lifelong politicians, get taken in by "the big O?"

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.

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"Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what you believe in. When you stumble, keep faith. When you?re knocked down, get right back up. And NEVER listen to anyone who says you can't or shouldn't go on."
Hillary Clinton - June 7, 2008

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