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Daou: Real Men do it On The Record

by: Pacific John

Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 13:40:14 PM EST


(The title is a play on the sleazy nature of the H&H book)

[Update below]

To Heilemann, Halperin and Politico: I'll Proudly Defend Hillary Clinton, On the Record

But having participated in countless senior strategy meetings, crisis management and rapid response drills and emergencies, "war rooms within war rooms" (a term used by Heilemann/Halperin), debate prep, calls, emails and private conversations with the candidate, and having slept with my BlackBerry under my pillow and been stationed at the center of her communications operation for the duration of the campaign, I can confidently state that Hillary Clinton did not push for 'vicious' or dirty tactics against any of her opponents, nor did she encourage or 'cheer on' that behavior from her staff. The ethos of the campaign, which she conveyed in word and deed, was that she would win because she was best prepared, worked the hardest and had the most compelling ideas.

I never even exchanged email with Peter, but from my very different role as a senior field volunteer, I've noted and written the very same thing. I'm told, when OFA was telegraphing that out of state students should caucus in Iowa, Hillary told her staff that she would fire anyone who recruited illegitimate caucus goers. This flowed top to bottom, start to finish. In Texas, with elaborate printed records and 750,000 or so caucusers, I'm not aware of even one case of Hillary operatives cheating - a stark ethical contrast with the dozens or hundreds of cases of OFA fabrication and theft that are documented.

She was centered, dignified and focused throughout, although her frustration and pain did show through at some moments. She knew the media environment was stacked against her, against any woman. She knew what she was up against and drove forward into the furious headwinds of sexism and rightwing-fueled Clinton-hatred.

For Hillary Clinton, it wasn't about being a woman, it was about being the best.

Anyone who tries to reduce it to a few pivotal moments or to a simple character narrative does history an injustice. It was literally a minute by minute unfolding, accelerated and complexified by millions of online activists and commentators, who could shape and reshape conventional wisdom in a matter of moments. Any single decision could have changed the course of events -- and of history. I have little tolerance for critics who simplify the whole election as some sort of reflection of the supposedly terrible character of Bill and Hillary Clinton, conveniently ignoring the Obama campaign's brutally effective hardball tactics and overlooking the infinite dimensions -- and messiness -- of a presidential image/message war.

I certainly won't mimic H&H and reduce the campaign to character caricatures, but I may have a better view of the forest than Peter does. Everything tended to be leveraged against Hillary, except the will of the voters, who were mostly impervious to the biggest tsunami of bias since the start of the Iraq War. Money, the press, New Media, the OFA caucus operation, and party elites created an anti-Hillary voter phalanx so that events and momentum always appeared to favor Obama. Obama's popular vote loss/delegate "win," were not the result of a few moments that tipped one way or the other, but of a months-long institutional push. In the end, Hillary only had the voters.

I'm certain that institutional bias would have largely shaped the contours of the race no matter how differently things could have unfolded, but this bit of introspection by Peter is accurate:

Still, it's important to state for the record, contra Game Change (or at least Politico's interpretation of the book), that if anything, Hillary's campaign let her down, not the reverse. Nor was it just one person's fault. Her entire senior team bears responsibility. I take responsibility for the role I played. It's easy to demean her when you're an anonymous source for a book (and an easy way to absolve oneself of guilt), but let's get real: far too often, she carried the campaign through sheer force of will and through an endless wellspring of personal fortitude.

Those of us who were on the post-Super Tuesday campaign hated what the initial team of the Solis Doyle era did. They simply weren't as loyal to Hillary as she was to them. That the subsequent field campaign that won the last four months was fueled by people who did, or were willing to, work for free is significant. Hillary deserves responsibility for early staff, but earns credit for winning the primary (if not the caucus) states.

Nobody wants to relive 2008, but history is being written now. Generations from today, students will read about a historic campaign where barriers were shattered, and I for one, don't want the wrong story to be told.

Peter is too diplomatic, and is metering his medicine with great caution to avoid a netroots allergic reaction. Perhaps the greatest flaw in American culture is its gnat-like attention span regarding history. It's all water under the bridge if it's uncomfortable for people in power.

If we do not pay attention to this, if we do not "relive" it, it will be worse next time, the monied influence, the caucus brutality, the media bias, the disregard for voters.

All of this will eventually blast everyone with blowback if we don't figure this out and reassert the standards required of a great democracy.

Update:

Eric Alterman, who may soon find his soul by the look of things, has a pithy reduction of the H & H book:


Here's who comes off horribly: Bill Clinton, Mark Penn, John and Elizabeth Edwards, Reille Whatshername, Cindy McCain, Rudy G., Sarah Palin. Here's who comes off pretty bad: Hillary Clinton. Here's who comes off OK: John McCain, Patty Solis Doyle. Here's who comes off great: Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, David Axlerod, David Plouffe, Steve Schmidt, Rick Davis. Here's who gets a free pass: Everybody in the media, pretty much, but especially ABC News, CNN, and their lobotomized debate questioners.

What does that tell you about their sources?

He who controls the future controls the past.

In other words, this was a MSM/OFA joint hit job (as if it weren't obvious), with Solis Doyle's help.

Pacific John :: Daou: Real Men do it On The Record
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Peter is right (0.00 / 0)
to a point about the atomization of pivotal factors. Although there's relatively little Hillary could have done to flip the outcome, almost anything could have caused OFA to fold, if any of his team in the media (new or traditional), financiers, party wheedlers, or caucus assault teams had faltered.

My 2 cents (0.00 / 0)
Hillary's biggest mistake was to hire Patty S-D. In fact, the initial bunch of Hillaryland had my head shaking.  Too much of a cautious group, and not enough Carvilles among them.  Hillary brought Maggie Williams on board in the end of January, but I guess most of the damage was done.

Patty had started as a scheduler for Hillary in 1992.  She never striked me as a fighting type, more a [bad] managerial type.


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What is "Patti" doing now? (0.00 / 0)
Time, I hope - 15 to 20 for fraud?

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For me, (0.00 / 0)
it's time the word "sociopathic", which we employed freely (and almost certainly correctly) to Bush and Cheney, be used to describe Obama, the campaign he ran and his administration. To think that a winning Democratic candidate, now president, would allow his staff to participate in a project like this is just mind-boggling to me. His staffers are using hostile press to destroy other Democrats. Unbelievable.

I've long thought that Edwards' endorsement of Obama was won by blackmail. I could be wrong. But Elizabeth's hostility to the endorsement was obvious and remarkable. The account in the New York magazine about the endorsement process had her favoring Hillary. So, now this book comes out, and it is Elizabeth, Hillary and Rielle Hunter to whom the greatest damage is done. Woe to women who find themselves across the table from Obama.

As Drew Westin observed, Obama has taken a wrecking ball to the Democratic party. This is more of a 2x4 with nails. Now, his off-the-record trashing of Martha Coakley, who originally said she'd vote against the health care reform bill if it didn't protect women's reproductive choices, is making it less likely that the Democratic candidate will win. What the hell is that? She isn't supporting his cocked up bill sufficiently so he's going to allow her to lose and help a Republican win? Holy crap.

Destruction is the hallmark of a sociopath and I see nothing but destruction in Obama's wake.  


History is being written now. Ouch. So true. (0.00 / 0)
Nobody wants to relive 2008, but history is being written now. Generations from today, students will read about a historic campaign where barriers were shattered, and I for one, don't want the wrong story to be told.

Peter Dou, in the few moments he's raised his voice, always on the Internet, always in writing, comes across as someone with enormous integrity.  


PJ don't know if you saw the Politico article (0.00 / 0)
but James Carville, on the record, estimates 80% of the anonymous quotes trashing Hillary from that book are from Solis-Doyle. Of course, he is just guessing.

Also in the article, Howard Wolfson says it was an honor to work for Hillary, as does another defender who came out today.  


interesting foot note (0.00 / 0)
on anonymous quotes source.  thanks, catfish!

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In the end, Hillary only had the voters (0.00 / 0)
PJ says:
Obama's popular vote loss/delegate "win," were not the result of a few moments that tipped one way or the other, but of a months-long institutional push. In the end, Hillary only had the voters.

Dou says:

Still, it's important to state for the record, contra Game Change (or at least Politico's interpretation of the book), that if anything, Hillary's campaign let her down, not the reverse. Nor was it just one person's fault. Her entire senior team bears responsibility. I take responsibility for the role I played. It's easy to demean her when you're an anonymous source for a book (and an easy way to absolve oneself of guilt), but let's get real: far too often, she carried the campaign through sheer force of will and through an endless wellspring of personal fortitude.

Yet another allegation from the book that just doesn't ring true is that Hillary would have quit earlier, but she was worried about what her husband would think of her. Give me a break! Anyone who watched the campaign, whether they were for or against her, was awed by how "unbending" she was as Tucker Carlson said. You could just see it was IN her. She got stronger with time. This was not an outside force (she was worried of what her husband would think) it was an inner-directed stamina.

Oddly, the only one in the book saying something flattering about Hillary is Obama, according to Politico. Something about this book really smells.


Cat, these people are terribly afraid of HRC. (0.00 / 0)
We know, empirically, that she's the only Dem who can win in 2012.  We don't need "internal polls."

But I'm betting the internal polls show exactly that, and the Obama people's reply is to do what they always do -- hit first, hit last, and hit anywhere they can, doing as much damage as they possibly can.

These people only care about themselves, the DNC, the senior Dems, and the O-bots . . . they obviously don't care one whit about the country, or they would've backed off before the convention.  They were poor "winners" (I put that word in quotes because I still feel they stacked the deck; their "win," such as it was, was rigged), and they are poor administrators, and their only response to criticism of their own problems is to try to cast mud at the only Dem who can win in 2012.

I can only call 'em what they really are, Cat -- Halperin and his ilk included -- LOSERS.

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.


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When Obama's drug use was mentioned (0.00 / 0)
by the campaign manager in New England Hillary immediately and publicly apologized to Obama in an airport and had the manager resign.

Why doesn't the book report this, which contradicts what they say (guess that's why)? Why isn't it mentioned on all the disgusting TV discussions?
 


Um, I dunno . . . 'cause the book is a hit job? n/t (0.00 / 0)


There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.

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I don't know if this is going to make any sense.... (0.00 / 0)
But this line really struck me.....

"Everything tended to be leveraged against Hillary, except the will of the voters..."

I can't begin to express my outrage that Democratic voters knew they wanted HRC and told the world that we wanted HRC and we got stuck with a turkey.

And it's still going on today....the will of the voters is for single payer health care. The will of the voters is to stop this country's reckless policy of torture and war.  The will of the voter is to treat our Mother Earth with love and care.  But the guys in charge refuse to stop, look and listen.

Hillary is in good company....WE KNEW she was the best and the brightest (the best and brightest to ever run for POTUS in the 64 years of my life....IMHO).  And WE KNOW what should be done by our government today.

But it looks like we're going to keep on getting screwed.

The bastards!  (And I'm not going to use any * in that word!)


Coyote....ALWAYS Call A Spade A Spade (0.00 / 0)
As you can see, political correctness has NOT helped America one whit!!

"Say What You Will...It Feels So Good"


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Coyote, I'm in full agreement. (0.00 / 0)
The DNC and senior Democrats are all bastards (not by parentage; by their own sordid choices).  They knew better, and they screwed us all.

As I keep saying -- even have it as my signature --

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.


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Thank you, Peter and PJ (0.00 / 0)
This is a great post, although it raises my blood pressure all over again to read it.  

It does do that, doesn't it? (0.00 / 0)


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Excellent! Excellent! Excellent! ('Cause one "excellent" clearly wasn't enough.) (0.00 / 0)
Thank you, PJ.  You are right, and Peter Daou is right, and this whole "media blitz" to discredit HRC, her campaign staff, and her volunteers is beyond disgusting.

I believe the Obama campaign staff was by far worse; I believe also that if these folks were not afraid of HRC, her campaign staff, and her volunteers, they would not be doing this now.  And it's standard practice from the likes of them; rather than take care of their own house, they'd rather attempt to slime someone else.

I'm telling you now, PJ -- it will not work.

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.


Thank You so much for your post (0.00 / 0)
PJ, I will also stand for Hillary Rodham Clinton. Your support and comments have really helped me today. I have been so upset with the so called writers of a Nasty book.
Madame Secretary is in our hearts and minds today as she travels on her Pacific trip.

also: (0.00 / 0)

I tend to agree with Tom Watson:

Over at the Daily Beast, Lee Siegel takes the Elizabeth Edwards reporting apart, bit by bit. And it's not so much whether the stories are true, but whether they amount to anything at all:

According to the book, Elizabeth called John's campaign manager an idiot. Maybe he was. She accused David Axelrod of lying to her. Maybe he did. At one point during the 2004 presidential race, she "snarled" at the people who were scheduling her appearances: "Why the fuck do you think I'd want to go sit outside a Wal-Mart and hand out leaflets?" Well, why the fuck would she?

You can't help but feel that the "crazy woman" character is so easily applied to females on the political stage - their anger is never contained, rarely effective, and almost never portrayed as just. It's usually just crazed, unhinged, pre-menstrual or menopausal. Glancing through the New York cartoons is a trip through that little garden of American political sexism so beloved by the mainstream media.

If Game Change (from what I've seen so far) is at all a reminder of the 2008 campaign, it's a reminder of that prism that existed then - and, God help us, exists now - that distorts the lives of public women and creates the kind of monsters that, I guess, sell books.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...  

hmmmm...  Axelrod lies -- Why am I not surprised?  And of course the good woman is dissed for speaking the truth about his lying.  

 


Right on Tom Watson - never heard of him, but he gets it (0.00 / 0)
Tom Watson:
For a woman in American politics, there's simply no floor space between harridan and sainthood. There's nowhere to stand, no place to exist, no neutral platform from which to speak. No gray. Bitch or angel, and too few of the latter.

It's nice to see a general reaction of disgust brewing out there.


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The quote from Alterman (0.00 / 0)
is a real winner.  

He's always been a pretty keen observer of the press although I haven't read his blog in a while.  I would imagine he supported Obama in the primaries.



I don't think he committed (0.00 / 0)
He's always been on my go-to list of bookmarks, but his blogging turned to pablum when it was clear the DP was on track to win in '08 (yes, it was all in jeopardy between the time Hillary conceded and the economy crashed).

He does know Hillary from NYC, and seems to have fallen in love with Obama over dinner, according to his writing (he looked in Barack's eyes and saw a liberal, or something), but was not part of the Netroots pogrom on women and working class voters. I did denote discomfort in him when the Dem on Dem violence was at its height.

This is the edgiest I've seen him in a couple of years.  


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Real Men do it on the record (0.00 / 0)
I can't agree more with that title, Pacific John!  When I think of the continuing story line about the "Clintons = game change/no defense, I think of my old friend, Gene Lyons, author of The Hunting of the President. This is so High School, folks!   Even haters, like Chris Mathews stated that "Clinton doesn't have a racist bone in his body"...but you've got Al Sharpton on MSNBC and FOX questioning a suposed quote that is not really a quote but something like a quote. In essence...the guys dead, so who are you going to believe?  That sleeze...Bill Clinton or we media elites?  Believe me, I wouldn't pay 2 penny's for the book, because as Eric implied...THINK!!! Everyone in the 2008 was BAD BAD BAD except OBAMA!  No Drama, No problems...heck no FINGER, either, I guess!  I guess it's true that you can bamboozle and hoodwink some people all of the time????  
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Alterman (0.00 / 0)
Don't go by that one quote. Alterman was and remains riddled by CDS and blinded by Obamania. He used to be one of my top go-to sites but he's become increasingly insular and out of touch. He's the epitome of the self-styled "creative class" elite and proud of it.  

Heh (0.00 / 0)
You are right. He's a very bright partisan media critic, but there's a reason why Tom Tomorrow use him as a caricature of The Nation's wimpy cluelessness.

That said, he is bright and honest, and once he pulls his head out of the vacation beach sand, I expect him to offer some of the most biting criticism of the Obama movement's failures, even if he's not exactly representative of the party base.


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