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We're not finished folks - not by a long shot!

The Democratic Schism

by: ProudMilitaryMom

Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 19:25:07 PM EDT


(Excellent work PMM.  Thank You - promoted by NewHampster)

Originally posted at my blog- http://commonsensegram.wordpress.com

Listening last night to DC Media Girl on blog talk radio DCMediaGirls-Hour-of-Power I heard a comment that struck me and I had to call in and discuss it. It was said on the show that the Democratic party is in schism. What an apropos way of describing what is going on today with the PUMA movement vs the DNC.!

Merriam Webster's on line dictionary defines 'schism' thus-

Main Entry: schism
Pronunciation: ?si-z?m, ?ski- also ?shi-; among clergy usually ?si-<br />Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English scisme, from Anglo-French scisme, cisme, from Late Latin schismat-, schisma, from Greek, cleft, division, from schizein to split — more at shed
Date: 14th century
1: division, separation; also : discord, disharmony
2 a: formal division in or separation from a church or religious body b: the offense of promoting schism

Schism- division or separation- discord, disharmony. Very apt description of the crisis in the Democratic party. In researching for this blog entry it became apparent to me that is even more appropriate than I had first thought. I began with a re-examination of the facts behind the "Great Schism" which divided the Western, Roman, Catholic church from the Eastern, Orthodox church.

 

ProudMilitaryMom :: The Democratic Schism
Adrian Fortescue writes at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13535.htm

a concise article about the cause of the Great Schism. Fortescue rightly explains that the separation was not a sudden event;

rather the result of a very gradual process.

The article goes on to give a brief explanation of the hierarchy of the ancient church and the conflict between the Bishop of Rome and his adherents and the Bishop or Patriarch of Constantinople. Now dear reader, please be advised if you click on the above link and read the article, it is written from the perspective of the Roman Church. Nevertheless, it is informative for my purposes for one can see in the claims of the Roman Church much which is akin to how we are categorized by the DNC.

For example,

So we arrive at the essential consideration in this question. The Eastern Schism was not a movement arising in all the East; it was not a quarrel between two large bodies; it was essentially the rebellion of one see, Constantinople, which by the emperor's favour had already acquired such influence that it was able unhappily to drag the other patriarchs into schism with it.

Do you see the similarity? The DNC desires to marginalize us because they are deathly afraid that we will take others with us. Dean and his media dogs tell all who will listen that the party is not divided, it is only one group causing all the problems. They had best read their history and understand that we are not one small group; we are a substantial portion of the Democratic base as the Eastern Church was and IS to this day a substantial portion of Christianity. Fortescue ends with this:

There is no humiliation in retracing one's steps when one has wandered down a mistaken road because of long-forgotten personal quarrels. They too must see how disastrous to the common cause is the scandal of the division. They too must wish to put an end to so crying an evil. And if they really wish it the way need not be difficult. For, indeed, after nine centuries of schism we may realize on both sides that it is not only the greatest it is also the most superfluous evil in Christendom.

Has the DNC taken a page from this book? Do you recognize the call to Unity in the statement above? "How disastrous to the common cause is the scandal of division"??? And yet, here we are all these centuries later and the schism persists. And what is it all really about? Unity? I think not! It is, in the end, about power, absolute power. The Eastern Church refuses to recognize the Pope as the ultimate authority and the Roman Church refuses to cede its pride of place.

It has been gradual and goes back some years. Voters are disgusted with elected officials who ignore their constituents once they gain office. We watched as the Republicans committed armed robbery writ big in 2000 and again we watched as the Ohio votes in 2004 were rigged for the pre-selected outcome. Still it comes as a surprise to Dean and company that the PUMA movement rises up and refuses to fall in line. We refuse to validate them in their attempt to seize what is not rightly theirs. We Just Say No Deal!

We PUMAs refuse to recognize Howard Dean and Barack Obama as the absolute power. We know that the power vested in ANY political body comes from US- the voters. When Howard Dean hand selected Obama he betrayed our trust. When the Super Delegates scrambled on to the Obama gravy train, in direct opposition to the expressed will of the voters of their districts, they betrayed us. Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the power mongerers have created in the Democratic Party, a cleft, a division, a separation between those of us who adhere to the Democratic principles of one person, one vote, and those who would impose their will on us. As the Roman Church will not give in on the issue of the Bishop of Rome being the Supreme Pontiff the DNC will not give in on Party Unity. They create a great divide that may last generations.

Now they are trying to marginalize us. We are called racists and Republicans. Some have had threats of bodily harm. We are ridiculed and repudiated for standing up for what is right, for our RIGHTS! Dean and company surely know what is coming. They know we are right and that this split in the party is going to mean a loss for the Democratic Party in November and a humiliating loss it will be. Dean and his henchmen and women deserve the loss of personal power and influence that will come along with the November defeat.

We will not unite! We will not condone the usurpation of the power that belongs to us- the voters. If Schism is the price we must pay to get our party and our country back, so be it. It is a heavy price, but one that is worth paying.

Watch for the follow up post where-in I delve into what the Church did to Martin Luther when he protested selling Heaven!

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split down the middle (0.00 / 0)
with her getting a bigger share of the people, and him getting a bigger share of insider party hopefuls, who aren't too smart.  It's a civil war, and the so-called 'winners want their spoils, our heads on sticks?  Totally stupid, we could unite over the party platform rather than fight about the candidates, and then we could find out in Denver who, but we'd already know what. I'm okay with him winning if he wins in Denver, but i am not okay with him setting the platform. our party isn't a personality contest, we actually have core principles.  

Hillary - alternative energy

She (0.00 / 0)
gets the people, he got the money! The history of the Great Shism is quite fascinating especially now. The emperor was in Constantinople promoting one side and the Romans were clinging to their own power. Sad sad sad- guess they never read tht "the LOVE of money is the root of all evil."

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Arianna Huffington in 2003 on Money and Campaigns (0.00 / 0)
This is an archived story that includes statements by one of BO's biggest cheerleaders. Note what she said about money in and politics in 2003 while running to replace Gov. Gray Davis:

Well, for me, it is a single issue, the way big money is determining our political and policy priorities.

I want to go back to [Arizona Senator] John McCain, because even though John McCain is a Republican, he's entirely around this issue [of campaign finance]. I remember speaking at Harvard on the day of the Massachusetts primary. And in the middle of my speech there came the news that McCain had won the Massachusetts
primary. And these students, these really radical progressive students who were there, stood up and cheered.

And I stopped, and I said to them: "That's really interesting. Because you obviously disagreed with McCain on his issue on choice. Or gun control, you know, any number of his other positions." And the argument was that nothing will change if we don�t get money out of politics. So I think people get that. And McCain showed that they get that.

Full article:
http://web.archive.org/web/200...


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Amazing (0.00 / 0)
how she has jsut run to the dogs now! She has apparently forgotten that she had this article!
Thanks for the link!

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I would have been ok (0.00 / 0)

with him winning, if the Democratiic Party had not thrown out millions of its own voters.  

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winning fair (0.00 / 0)
not grabbing it.  

Hillary - alternative energy

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there's a lot more of us than there are of them... (0.00 / 0)
...and the ultimate test is ballots in the box on november 4th. if they want to play chicken, fine with me.

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.

I NEVER (0.00 / 0)
lost a game of chicken yet!

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Protested selling Heaven! (0.00 / 0)
Excellent post. Your last line stuck with me because I just finished reading Nobama's diary which looks at why big money and influence wants Obama as their salesman. We are protesting the selling off of our democracy, rights, and threats to our government which is to be governed by and for the people.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

I will have to read that now! (0.00 / 0)
Ans I am listening to NQ Radio too!

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schism: (0.00 / 0)

If schism is what it takes, then schism it is. If it takes an earthquake, then so be it.  Let's hope the end result is the Democratic Party actually living up to its name. Democratic means regard for all its voters who come out to cast their votes.  Paraphrasing an earlier Clinton campaign theme, it's the voters, stupid!

I wonder how big our schism is. (0.00 / 0)
I worry that we are the only ones noticing it, and that in the end, it will make no difference at all in the schism of things.

There's more of us. (0.00 / 0)

My mother, who lives in Florida, is a life-long Dem who definitely notices -- and all her friends too.  They don't spend a lot of time online -- they're too busy line-dancing!  Believe me, they are very upset with their Party leadership, especially the DNC -- and will let them know with their votes in November.  And they won't be voting for their Party's selected nominee!


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Pretty (0.00 / 0)
damn big. The Roman Church laments the loss of the Eastern peoples to this day. they thought it was a few out of line trouble making bishops. OOPS!

For real? I do not know and have not met one single Obama supporter in our town. Sure the Dem committee has signs up in the office window- but is anybody actually voting for the guy? Not that I know of.

It's quiet but it's there- O is not impressing or fooling any of us hicks.


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Excellent diary, PMM. (0.00 / 0)
I got a chance to read it a few days ago, but couldn't comment; I wasn't able to get this site to open with my Mom's computer for at least four days, so I could read and rec but not comment or post on my own computer (something to do with how old my computer is and Javascript).

This is a very good way to put it; we have a schism in the Democratic Party, and it will become permanent unless the DNC does the right thing and lets the delegates vote as they should -- and then lets the superdelegates serve to choose the most electable candidate in the fall.  We all know that's not Barack Obama; despite all the media pushing of him, Obama is losing ground and will continue to do so.

But if the DNC is stupid, we will end up with not two parties, but three -- and the PUMA movement will become permanent.  I'm so mad at the DNC that I don't care if it is, quite frankly, so they can only do one of two things: stick to their frankly suicidal course and nominate Obama, a guy they know won't win and will kill all of their careers in the process, or go with the only electable candidate this fall, someone who has kept the PUMAs and the Clinton Dems and the conservative and moderate Dems and Independents of this country jazzed up despite having a suspended campaign for the past two months -- Hillary R. Clinton.

We only have two choices, DNC; your jobs rest upon what you do next.  What will you do?

Hillary Clinton -- NOW!

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.


"Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what you believe in. When you stumble, keep faith. When you?re knocked down, get right back up. And NEVER listen to anyone who says you can't or shouldn't go on."
Hillary Clinton - June 7, 2008

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