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Reparations? Couldn't be.

by: catfish

Thu Jul 31, 2008 at 20:55:37 PM EDT


Surely that's not what Obama was talking about at a recent conference for journalists of color. Frankly, my blood pressure spiked a little after I read the "R" word in Obama's quote. But who knows. It's certainly a topic worth discussing. Does he plan to implement reparations as president? Here's Obama on July 28:

"I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged," the Democratic presidential hopeful said.

"I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."

catfish :: Reparations? Couldn't be.
Could be another famous slip-of-the-Obama tongue to add to the collection. Or maybe it explains  what he was talking about in a recent foreign policy speech, in which he highlighted the lawless frontier, not the Civil War in this passage:

Throughout our history, America has confronted constantly evolving danger. From the oppression of an empire to the lawlessness of the frontier; from the bombs that fell on Pearl Harbor to the threat of nuclear annihilation - Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-changing world.

But looking back at a course syllabus from his law-teaching days, recently unearthed by the New York Times, we can see that the topic was on his mind. Probably a natural phase for a young black man (though he's not a descendent of slaves,) to reflect on in his early adult years. Here's a suggested group presentation topic from his 1994 course syllabus at Chicago (he was in his early 30s at the time):

10) Reparations -- Given the perceived failures of the traditional civil rights agenda in bringing out racial equality in the U.S., a number of black commentators argue that a program of reparations is the only legitimate means of making up for three hundred-plus years of slavery. More recently, some white commentators have also supported a variant of the reparations concept -- for example, the government financing a Community Reinvestment funds that would be controlled by the black community and render affirmative action obsolete. Do such proposals have any realistic chance of working their way through the political system? Would there be any legal impediments to such a broadly-concieved reparations policy?

I have a few questions for any readers who are more informed on this topic:

"Given the perceived failures of the traditional civil rights agenda in bringing out racial equality in the U.S."
Q. Is it odd he assumes the civil rights agenda as a failed, not merely a flawed one? Is it odd he acknowledges no progress made from this historic movement?

"...a number of black commentators argue that a program of reparations is the only legitimate means of making up for three hundred-plus years of slavery."
Q. He says reparations will make up for three hundred-plus years of slavery, but our country is only 200 years old. Are reparations proponents in favor of paying for the sins of our founders and their ancestors? What about descendents of John Adams, who never owned slaves?

"More recently, some white commentators have also supported a variant of the reparations concept -- for example, the government financing a Community Reinvestment funds that would be controlled by the black community and render affirmative action obsolete."
Q. Does anyone know of any Community Reinvestment fund?
Q. How would the government discern who "the black community" is, and how would the government funnel these funds to said community without leaving out any slave descendents, say, in the suburbs, in rural homes?

"Do such proposals have any realistic chance of working their way through the political system? Would there be any legal impediments to such a broadly-concieved reparations policy?"
Q. Is it odd that the other suggested topics were followed by questions asking students to debate the merits of the idea, but he did not ask students to debate the merits of reparations? That he merely skipped right to how one could successfully nudge such a proposal into law?

Should debate moderators broach the topic of reparations this fall? Would that be seen as racist? Would it be racist, given Obama's statements at the UNITY '08 journalist conference? I'd like to know if, given that my ancestors arrived after the Civil War, would I be taxed to pay reparations to somebody like Obama, whose father also arrived in this country after the Civil War. (Or: if we find that his mother's ancestors owned slaves, would he be taxed to pay reparations to slave descendants?)

Obviously, this is an uncomfortable topic for moderators to broach in a national debate. But it could implicate tax policy under a new administration.

I was under the impression that reparations were a fringe idea.  

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Did anyone hear Hillary's speech in New Orleans? She proposed investing in disadvantaged communities, bringing in business, locating green business there, underwriting small business loans, so locals could provide jobs and kids didn't have to get out if they didn't want to, there would be reasons to stay, possibilities, which might keep communities together.

Hillary thinks that banks don't make loans to minorities out of 'morality' issues, with ideas about what qualifies for loans, and what doesn't. She thinks that it's wrong for banks to make these judgments, there is money to be made in 'greening' old neighborhoods, jobs and training possibilities, there is nothing economic about not loaning to inner largely black and minority cities.

If it's reparations, then it will be seen as a free lunch for descendants of slaves.  It wouldn't be correct, but that's how it would be perceived, as a hand out. Just like if those ss reforms are enacted, ss will seem like welfare, and not like payments on your life insurance policy.

Slavery is the biggest blot on a country that has many blots, so biggest truly is huge.  And it's important for our government to fund history projects, to make the truth known.  But whether or not there was slavery, there are disadvantaged completely neglected communities, where crime is rampant, schools are scary and kids don't have adequate nutrition, cause there aren't good grocery stores that sell decent food at normal prices.  The small business possibilities are vast, the available start up money is miniscule.  

I'd like to adopt Hillary's plan, as well as get the government involved in a slavery history project. that phase of our human misery must be recorded, studied, discusses, there are many lessons there for how humans behave under extraordinary circumstances, and lessons on how depraved so-called civilized people can be when given too much power over the bodies of others.

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I like the idea of microcredit, that seems to have taken off and done so well in countries abroad.

The idea of handing money over to some "Black Community" gives me visions of handing money to a community organizer, like Jeremiah Wright. Maybe because Obama would name his faith-based cabinet the Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.


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Another thing to consider (0.00 / 0)
is that Obama is pandering to NA and AAs again. But you never know. I definitely think something needs to be done to revitalize communities, but a blank check is a bad idea. I don't support any groups getting blank checks. Too much corruption.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

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I think a blank check is a terrible idea (0.00 / 0)
After seeing Reverend Wright's retirement mansion, and living in the city and seeing how this works, money often does not trickle down. Even good people can justify keeping more and more of the money well I need a bigger house, etc.

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Also at the conference, he needed a nap (0.00 / 0)
A quote from the UNITY '08 Conference story:
Obama, who acknowledged that he needed a nap, stood up to say farewell to the audience of journalists, many of whom gave him another standing ovation.


If AAs get reparations (0.00 / 0)
I want mine for 100,000 years plus of slavery. That'll should stop that argument in its tracks, but I'll probably just be called racist for expressing feminist views. Sigh

I'm a Stantonian Democrat.

Great point (0.00 / 0)
Women are the most enslaved population in history AND TODAY.

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Frankly, I thought more people would freak out (0.00 / 0)
after reading his quotes. I know I did. And I think he should be asked about it by the press.

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My thoughts exactly (0.00 / 0)
What about all the rape, violence, forced prostitution, and slavery that women still endure. I don't support reparations, but I do support equality and equal access for all peoples.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

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hahahaha (0.00 / 0)
look at this comment on myDD, which actually poisoned a whole open thread - nobody would post any more comments in that thread after this exhibition of strawberry-ladling lunacy. what IS it with these people?

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008...


Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.


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Thanks for pointing it out.

I am NO racist, but the idea of reparations is a harmful one in my opinion. Invest in inner city schools (though now urban areas are being taken over by the rich, that's another story) invest in crumbling schools not because of legacies, but just to get poor kids the same opportunities that middle class kids have. As Hillary would say, you want to maximize the potential of every child.

Reparations is just ... a fringe idea. And reminds people of race-based welfare. But what do I know? Is this like the public apology for Japanese internment? The press should ask him more about this.


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