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We're not finished folks - not by a long shot!

As The One™'s Halo Slips, Dems Get Nervous

by: campskunk

Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 17:48:25 PM EDT


Flop sweat is breaking out on the brow of the Democratic body politic. After selling their integrity to get a candidate they thought would win in November, the Dean/Pelosi/Brazile triumvurate steering the DNC these days is hearing footsteps, and recriminations are setting in. With the number of people identifying as Democrats declining, and young people tuning out, things aren't looking too good.

Check out Financial Times' article yesterday:

But a number of Democrats, including advisers to the Obama campaign, are worried that the Democratic party's overall electoral advantage this year has not yet translated into comfortable leads for Mr Obama. On Friday Gallup showed Mr Obama just one point ahead of John McCain - a significant tightening in the past two weeks.

  ...But the signs are that Mr McCain's continuing attacks - most recently in a commercial that portrayed Mr Obama as a vapid celebrity against images of Paris Hilton and Britney Spears - may be striking a chord with the white working class voters who shunned Mr Obama so emphatically in many of his primary contests with Hillary Clinton.

Um, that would be those 18 million people who actually voted for Hillary, Dr. Dean.

With just one month to go before Labour Day - the traditional beginning of the general election - and only three weeks before the Democratic convention, many Democrats fear that time is running out for Mr Obama to overcome the suspicions of this key swing vote.

"We have got to move away from these beautifully choreographed speeches which appeal to groups of voters who are unassailably in the Obama camp already," said a non-staff adviser to Mr Obama. "What plays well with the educated liberal voter sometimes grates with the blue-collar folk, whom we need on our side if we are going to win."


A little late to be figuring that out, but still commendable. Sort of.  
campskunk :: As The One™'s Halo Slips, Dems Get Nervous
Remembering the leads Kerry, Dukakis and other Democratic candidates have frittered away, the Democratic head honchos are faced with the reality that this isn't a photo op or a caucus, it's an election. Oh, and they miss the Clinton's ability to win elections by connecting to the voters (even the clinging, bitter ones).

That only reinforces disquiet about Mr Obama's inability so far to take a decisive lead. "Even on his worst day, Bill Clinton was able to signal that he understood voters' concerns and that he felt their pain," said Douglas Schoen, a Democratic consultant. "Obama has no trouble with the campaign stagecraft. But this isn't Harvard, it's the beer hall. He has to talk in language that people understand."

Last I heard, there was still a Clinton available - one who doesn't have Obama's problem connecting to working-class voters.  Obama gained the upper hand in the delegate count by working the caucus states, using inside influence to rig the allocation of FL and MI delegates, and stampeding the superdelegates.  But there's still a vote at the convention to choose the nominee. That's what he's afraid of.

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i had to move this off the front page... (0.00 / 0)
...to make room for alegre's important announcement, and thus i lost three comments, which i'll reproduce below:

I hope they 'figure' it out  

The bots are starting to threaten riots at some of the other sites. This thuggery hasn't stopped one iota from O's kool aid drinkers. The threats specifically mentioned white truck drivers, Asian store owners. I'm guessing (hoping) that the internet thugs are just a few isolated idiots and not the regular Obama supporter.
by: roseeriter @ Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 16:59:55 PM EDT

Nervous Nellies

Democratic party leaders (that means you too, superdelegates) should be nervous. Obama CANNOT close the deal no matter how much the Obamedia spins and lies for the Obama product. I bet $50 bucks that McCain will take the lead in both the Gallop and Rasmussen daily tracking polls by Tuesday.

Recall the Obama product.
by: grlpatriot @ Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 17:04:38 PM EDT

the indies

don't see much difference between him and McCain, they want an outsider and either qualifies. Most Americans want to see plans, not personalities, but on this one John gets a break, he's seen as a goofy personality and voters like him and the less they know about him, the better it is for him.  Barack upstaging him helps McCain, and it hurst Barack, cause he keeps running on his governing philosophy, which he hasn't clearly explained, although i can explain it if anyone's interested, and not on issues. he's new, the voters want to know about him, they think they know enough already about McCain, which so very clearly works to McCain's advantage.

Also, McCain has had a make-over, he's funnier. Barack has yet to learn to laugh, and so he's easy to rile and get off message.  

by: anna shane @ Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 17:29:46 PM EDT




Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.

my comment got lost in the shuffle! (0.00 / 0)

It went something like this:

BHO is skating on thin ice.  If he's not winning over independents and at the same time his progressive base is writing him a letter of complaint, the jig may soon be up.  He's like one of those poor polar bears with the ice melting around him on every side.

Also the recent ad satirizing his celebrity-type status and all his big, adoring crowds is destroying ahead of time the desired effect of the planned big stadium event.  Now it will just seem like more of the same.  All hat; little substance.



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oh, sorry. (0.00 / 0)
it took a while for me to move it, so you must have been posting as i was taking it down. thanks for your comment - he IS skating on thin ice, and it'll only get worse as we go toward november.

the american voters aren't stupid, and this is NOT the country to try to run a cult-of-personality campaign. we like our politicans humble. next time obama compares himself to lincoln, he might want to take a closer look at ol' abe's healthy capacity for self-criticism.

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.


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Do the right thing, Obama. This isn't about race. (0.00 / 0)
Working class people resent anybody who appears to live on easy street. They are offended by people who do not scrap for the job. You are in over your head, Senator Obama.

Be the King of Unity, Senator Obama: you'll go down in history as a profile in the utmost courage if you nominate Hillary and suggest you serve as veep. You can keep your stadium, you can deliver this news there, you will shock the world and restore America's credibility as a country of honor.

It has to come from you. You'll save the Democratic party from a permanent schism if you nominate Hillary. Show more leadership than you ever imagined, nominate her.  


What Obama should do ... (0.00 / 0)
I think Obama should have taken the V.P. slot a long time ago and get some experience.  Hillary is clearly the person that can govern from Day #1.  She impressed the heck out of me during every debate.  She is the one that can clean-up Bush's mess.

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anna shane - how do you explain his philosophy? (0.00 / 0)
it hurst Barack, cause he keeps running on his governing philosophy, which he hasn't clearly explained, although i can explain it if anyone's interested,

If you can, I bet you know more than the man himself.


no, he knows (0.00 / 0)
he has this idea that a kindly man president who allows everyone to have their say and listens equally to all, but stays above the fray, and of course understands, and empathizes, can bring about consensus, and everyone will be happy and no longer bitter and angry and filled with unfilled aspirations and not the right arugula, not the organic kind. It's a political philosophy.  He sees himself as the philosopher prince. He thinks Reagan was that too, made everyone feel listened to and so he was loved. I don't remember Reagan being loved, but then i was older when Reagan was president, and he'd been governor of California, and i thought he was dotty and scary and creepy. I used to think no one could be as bad as Reagan, but that was before I met Bush II.  

he knows some political philosophy, that helped him personally get ahead and into a safe Senate seat, but, he don't know much about history.  

Hillary - alternative energy


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Well, I was younger than BO when Reagan was President, and (0.00 / 0)
my generation was scared crapless of the guy.  :)

Medicare for All is Civil Rights

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you were a thinking girl? (0.00 / 0)
your mom is my age?  

Hillary - alternative energy

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Well, she's 62. (0.00 / 0)


Medicare for All is Civil Rights

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I'm only (0.00 / 0)
61.  but very soon ... with any luck that is.  

Hillary - alternative energy

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He's only 2yrs younger than me (0.00 / 0)
If he's clueless about Reagan love, he must be a Republican. The 80's weren't that long ago and he was an adult, not some kid in another country. And didn't he do some college time in SoCal?

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He is almost a Republican (0.00 / 0)
Have we heard him say where he disagreed with Reagan?

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Surely you do this for a living. (0.00 / 0)
So spot on - and when Reagan just said the wall should come down, it came down.

The "celestial choirs" political philosophy.


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yeah, she nailed him (0.00 / 0)
that is his thing.  He also says his success is the main example of his hope working. He's very pleased with his great success.  He made the message clear once, when he said the empathy deficit was the worst deficit we have.  

But, it is just words, and even if the words did mean something, he contradicts them, for the higher purpose of first winning.  

I used to think the ham sandwich would win, but with these new states, and how he's disappointing the progressives, and disrespecting Hillary's voters, I think he's now a long shot.  A very long shot.  

Hillary - alternative energy


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The philospher-prince (0.00 / 0)
perfect.

What I remember about Reagan was constant worrying that he had dementia, that he would take one too many naps, that he meant well but didn't play with a full deck, and we all were about to get nuked to death. Remember when he got cancer and he said "I don't have cancer, something inside my body has cancer."

But at least Reagan had an idea of which direction he wanted to move the country. And at least Reagan had experience (California Governor,) and a record, and was willing to absorb criticism before he was elected.


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no, he was totally awful (0.00 / 0)
and a complete embarrassment. but he did win, with no real qualifications, he was a terrible and ignorant governor, and a terrible and ignorant president.  But now the bar is lower, we've had Bush II.  Even Barack can't be that bad. i mean, Bush wanted the war himself, no one else wanted that, and Barack will be a consensus guy, and so nothing much will get done, opportunities will be lost and lives and treasure, but he won't make up his very own war.  And if he picks Hillary and manages to win, she'd be competent, and so agencies would have the possibility of running efficiently and doing what they're supposed to do, unless Barack intervenes and won't let her fire hacks because hacks are people too.  

Hillary - alternative energy

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Well, there always the outside shot, (0.00 / 0)
the SDs will just vote for the person who won the most votes.

Medicare for All is Civil Rights

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Above the fray (0.00 / 0)
that phrase makes my skin crawl.

The only people who think they are above the fray are passive-aggressive and very condescending.


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wow (0.00 / 0)
Barack is passive aggressive and condescending - a coincidence?  It's an academic thang, has pretensions of academia.  

Hillary - alternative energy

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Dems are once again doing what they do best (0.00 / 0)
which makes me wonder just why I've stayed a loyal member of this loser party.

Anyway.  Say it with me.  What Democrats do best.

Steal Defeat from the jaws of Victory.

Fighting for women at Partizane


aww come on, charlie brown! kick that football! (0.00 / 0)
after 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000, and 2004, what could possibly go wrong?

(* i'm kidding hampster because of our undistinguished but identical voting records supporting this party's lovable losers)

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.


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I voted for a winner other than Bill C (0.00 / 0)
He was a man who came to my state and introduced himself as a peanut farmer from Georgia.

He, like Bill, was an outsider.  Not the choice of the leaders but rather the choice of the people who had met this good man and thought, "I trust him".

2 recent Democrat Presidents and both were the outsiders, the people's choice.  Every time the DNC selects, we lose.


Fighting for women at Partizane


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Dems should be nervous.... (0.00 / 0)
Obama's rhetoric has NEVER matched his actions.  Isn't this the guy who wants to make nice with leaders of rogue nations and unite the world?

He won't even debate McCain!  This comment from another blog pretty much sums up what we already know:

It means that they're too scared to face a 72 year old torture survivor who can't even move his arms properly. Which, given the way that CNN was mocking Obama over his drilling flip-flop just now (it's weird, actually watching this stuff), is probably wise of them. People can get so upset when they realize that they've spent 500 million dollars on a primary and only gotten an untrained, inexperienced, and not particularly eloquent sacrificial lamb in return.....Moe Lane, Redstate


Instead of being "nervous," the DNC must act -- Hillary Clinton now! (0.00 / 0)
Obama is not qualified nor ready to be the next President of the United States, and if he is the nominee, the Democrats will lose.  Guaranteed.

However, if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, the Democrats will win.  Guaranteed.

What's so hard about this to understand?
DNC, listen up, because I'm only going to say this once: We need Hillary Clinton, and we need her right now.  She is the only candidate I am willing to support in the fall election; it's OK with me if you let Obama bow out and take the VP spot, or just bow out, but we need Hillary Clinton now.

Hillary Clinton -- Now!

Hillary Clinton -- NOW!

Hillary Clinton -- NOW!!!



There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.


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"Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what you believe in. When you stumble, keep faith. When you?re knocked down, get right back up. And NEVER listen to anyone who says you can't or shouldn't go on."
Hillary Clinton - June 7, 2008

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