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We're not finished folks - not by a long shot!

Wounds That Won't Heal

by: Alegre

Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:48:33 AM EDT


We all know the history of the primary season by now.  It's one long string of he said / she said and the recent back & forth between the McCain camp and BHO' is reigniting old flames when it comes to accusations of race-baiting.  So much so that Bill Clinton felt the need to reiterate something we all know to be true - that he is not a racist.  Ben Smith pulled together a report on this, which I think is worthy of discussion here.  We may or may not forgive much of what went down during the primaries, but I think I can speak for millions of Hillary's 18 millions supporters when I say that Camp Obama stepped over a serious line when they tarred the Clintons as racists in the lead-up to the SC primary (and since).  Those attacks were simply unforgivable and may be a big reason (among many!) why many of us won't get on that unity pony of Howie's.

And I'm sorry but Smith claims that BHO himself never claimed the Clintons were racists, but that is simply not true.  His silence during the mud-fest was deafening - he let his supporters and surrogates do his dirty work and accepted the many advantages these unfair attacks gave him, and by not denouncing them with every fiber of his being he was complicit in those attacks.  He's every bit as guilty as Cong. Clyburn, Donna Brazile and Jesse Jackson Jr. and I'm absolutely disgusted that our party leaders remained silent during this miserable period of our party's nominating process.

These attacks on Bill Clinton and his legacy have left wounds that won't heal any time soon folks, and BHO will pay a heavy price among Hillary's supporters come the general election for his hateful campaign tactics.  And quite frankly, after the way they treated him I wouldn't blame him a bit if he suddenly found himself too busy with his foundation's mighty work to find time to lend a hand with his attackers in the general election.

Recent Race Flap Re-Opens Clinton Camp Wounds

"I am not a racist," Clinton said Monday in a testy interview with ABC News in Monrovia, Liberia, in response to a question that wasn't quite related to that subject. "I've never made a racist comment and I never attacked [Obama] personally."

Make the jump - there's more...

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When John McCain's campaign manager last week accused Obama of playing the "race card," the Clintons or their supporters could have provided a powerful rebuttal. Instead they were silent, and in private, some even quietly cheered.

Heh, yeah and I was one of them and I'm pretty sure I wasn't alone.

"Say whatever you want about Bill Clinton, but it's deeply unfair to suggest his criticism of Obama was race-based," McCain adviser Steve Schmidt told Politico, after his campaign blasted Obama for suggesting the McCain campaign would use his race against him. "We knew it was coming in our direction because they did it against a president of the United States of their own party."

...several former [Clinton] aides said that being tarred as racists, if not by Obama's campaign, then by his supporters, had left deep scars on a campaign whose top officials were black women.

"We were being considered a racist campaign, and it was very painful personally and politically for a lot of people," said a former Clinton advisor. "People feel they lost the primary in some fashion due to that, and so there aren't a lot of people rushing to inoculate [Obama] on that account."

One Clinton aide said a recent Clinton conference call had featured another Clinton advisor remarking that "the chickens have come home to roost" -- in the form of McCain's denunciation of Obama's comments.

Chicago - we have a problem!  

Could this be why there are so many of Hillary's supporters who aren't quite ready to jump on that unity pony?  Of course Hillary's team are on board.  As the article states, they figure if they don't do right by BHO - it hurts Hillary.  And Hillary will be out in force at fundraisers and unity events later this week now that Congress is out of session.  Thankfully, her many supporters our here on the ground are not held to that same standard - we can (and do) call BS when we see and hear it.

Yeah we all know the history... Billy Shaheen set off a firestorm when he suggested the goopers would speculate as to whether BHO not only used drugs, but that he sold them too.  Hillary fired him for that btw - and apologized in person to BHO for Shaheen's comments.  Then there was the "fairytale" comment of Bill's re BHO's record re Iraq, which Donna Brazile quickly used in some sick and hateful attempt (in her position as an impartial CNN commentator no less!) to tar Bill as a racist.  They jumped on everything at Camp Obama, and accused Bill of racism when he noted that another prominent AA politician and civil rights leader (someone who I (and I'm sure the Clintons) respect and admire a great deal) the Rev. Jesse Jackson won SC's primary just as BHO had.  Nothing untrue in that statement.

The list goes on and on as to what BHO tried to use against the Clintons - at one point they could barely utter a word or challenge anything BHO said or did without being called a racist and it was absolutely disgusting.  It watered down the meaning of racism and insulted anyone who's every dealt with real racism or marched with Dr. King and Rev. Jackson for civil rights back in the day - but still BHO used it for his own selfish political gain.

On Obama's side, much of the animus evaporated when Clinton conceded. And some in Clinton's camp blamed Bill Clinton all along - not Obama - for the racial edge to the primary.

Talk about a fairy tale!

Most former Clinton aides, though, expressed mixed feelings about McCain's effectively putting Obama on defense on the issue of race.

"I think the McCain campaign is doing the right thing by pushing back, and I feel slightly vindicated," said yet another former Clinton aide. "But at the end of the day I hope it goes away pretty soon."

They're not the only ones who feel vindicated.  Look at the polls after the latest dust-up between McCain and BHO over the race card and you'll find that these tactics from the primary wars aren't working now that they've moved into general election mode.  I've been saying this for months guys - this stuff won't fly against the goopers or their voters.

Besides, even among Democrats I think BHO's gone to this race baiting well a few too many times.  It's worn thin with us and people are finally starting to cop on.

I just hope and pray the Superdelegates start to realize that this tried and true tactic of BHO's will backfire and lose us votes come the general election, and back the one candidate with substance and a real shot at beating McCain in November.

After all, we've got to re-take the White House this year.  Too much is at stake and too many lives are in the balance - literally - for them to gamble on someone who clearly doesn't know what he's doing.

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18 million Democrats remember it well... (0.00 / 0)
...as do millions of other Independents and Republicans.

Want more proof?  Check out Rasmussen Reports:

Sixty-nine percent (69%) of the nation's voters say they've seen news coverage of the McCain campaign commercial that includes images of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton and suggests that Barack Obama is a celebrity just like them. Of those, just 22% say the ad was racist while 63% say it was not.

However, Obama's comment that his Republican opponent will try to scare people because Obama does not look like all the other presidents on dollar bills was seen as racist by 53%. Thirty-eight percent (38%) disagree.

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Not surprisingly, the McCain ad generates significantly different perceptions along racial and ethnic lines. Most African-American voters--58%--saw the McCain ad as racist. Just 18% of white voters and 14% of all other voters shared that view.

As for Obama's comment, 53% of white voters saw it as racist, as did 44% of African-Americans and 61% of all other voters.
There were also significant partisan divides. Democrats were evenly divided as to whether the McCain commercial was racist, and they were also evenly divided on the Obama comment. Republicans, by an 87% to 4% margin, rejected the notion that the McCain campaign ad was racist. But, by a 67% to 26% margin, GOP voters believe that Obama's comment was racist.

Unaffiliated voters, by a five-to-one margin, said the McCain ad was not racist. By a much narrower 50% to 38% margin, unaffiliateds viewed Obama's comment as racist.

Millions of Americans remember and recognize the Obama's penchant for playing the race card.  Not only is McCain right for calling them on it, he's also smart for reminding us all how the Obama's did it to the Clintons!


Best poll ever (0.00 / 0)
Was so nice to see that.

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it does show the difference in perceptions (0.00 / 0)
African Americans experience real racism, in housing, jobs, lending, schools, police brutality, in many areas of life racism is alive and well, and terrible, and no one much thinks about it unless you're black or traveling with black friends. The crime that is allowed to fester in inner cities is beyond immoral. I"m a professional and most of my friends are also professional, and I don't know one, not one, black friend who has not had at least one person in their close family murdered.  Does anyone in the white world get that that means?

If African Americans see racism where it is not, they rightly see it where white American's don't.  In some ways the two groups live in different worlds, with different rules, and for African Americans the world is objectively more dangerous.

So, if some African American say he's experienced racism, the general response is to believe him, if you're African American.  

That's why what Barrack did was so cynical. He wanted African Americans to see him as someone who has also suffered from racism, and he thought the best way was to play the race card. It was aimed at African Americans, and about white guilty Americans who wanted to be in the know.  It was disgusting, and he ought to quit it.

If he's really interested in ending racism, he should listen to Hillary's New Orleans speech, at the forum he was too busy to attend.  

Hillary - alternative energy


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I took an informal poll among my black friends (0.00 / 0)
about the McCain ad, and they thought it was funny as hell, and very true. He is a celebrity. And not much else, actually. The chickens are really coming home to roost, even the black community is starting to wonder if they really want him in the White House, given his lack of experience and how he over-reacts to things he should just ignore. They think it's funny that Obama, who has never been treated like the average black American, is so sensitive about race and so eager to use the race card. After all, to quote one of them, it's not like he has ever been stopped for being the wrong color in the right neighborhood. One lady even looked at me, giggled, and said, "When it comes to race, Obama should just "get over it." Needless to say, I roared with laughter. She's right. He should. But he won't, he will whine his way to a loss in November.  

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'Oh $#!%'...she's awake!!


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Zogby says Obama is tanking. (0.00 / 0)
Even in "safe" blue states, the guy is crashing and burning.

Check it out...

People are weary of checking every criticism of Oba-moi for racism. It's no way to live.

We can haz winning candidate nao?


Ben giving Obama a pass because he didn't say it himself (0.00 / 0)
Is like giving a dictator a pass because he didn't kill the millions of peasants, he only let it happen.

Obama is a master at hiding behind other people and if necessary throwing them under the bus with the rest of us.


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Or like giving Manson a pass (0.00 / 0)
Because he just told those stupid kids to do it, but didn't participate himself.

Great post Alegre. I've known for a long time that the charges of racism where part of the mix that made Obama utterly unacceptable to many of us, which is why I have written a lot about racial issues on my blog. I figure, if he wants a frank discussion on race, he's going to get one. And everybody's laundry will get an airing, not just white folks'. I wrote about black evangelical churches last night.

Joe, that Rassmussen poll you cited reveals the extent of black cultural paranoia, which is the result of so-called Civil Rights leaders using the issue of race to manipulate and bait their constituencies with bogus race charges for decades.  

I'm a Stantonian Democrat.


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Was Bush (0.00 / 0)
given a pass just because Rove was behind the smears on McCain about his adopted Bangladeshi daughter?

If something vile is said to benefit you and you do not denounce it immediately and vehemently, then you own it.

I am so sh*t sick of Obama and his "who me" crap. He likes to play the victim when he is in fact the perpetrator.

Øbama!


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You hit the nail on the head.... (0.00 / 0)
I resented greatly the intended sexism of the media....more than the sexism of some of the Obama camp.
But even more, I REALLY REALLY have not gotten past the implications of the Obama Nation (campaign team, supporters and the latte drinking/wine sipping, mostly boy bloggers) that the Clintons are racists.
I feel like Bill does and can hardly contain my resentment of that accusation.....and especially resent the sanctimony and hypocrisy.

Herbert is a good example.  Read Somerby of yesterday here and he explains what I feel much better than I can.http://www.dailyhowler.com/

I cannot believe how many idiots cannot see what Axlerod did.  
He "swiftboated" using Rove's tactics.
A Kerry strong point was his military service vs W's AWOL service.  Rove knew he had to somehow undo Kerry's military record and he did it.   He attacked a seemingly guaranteed strong point for Kerry and just didn't neutralize it, he turned it against Kerry.
Axlerod KNEW Hillary's popularity and respect in the AA community was a strong point.  He was not content to neutralize it.  He in fact decided to turn the Clintons into racists" so that they would not only lose the AA vote but would lose all the guilt ridden white liberal boys who NEVER DID A DAMN THING for civil rights.  So while Hillary actively worked for civil rights with and for the minority community for decades, the do nothings successfully painted her a racist.  It makes no sense.  It is every bit as unforgivable as when the right wing nuts mocked the purple heart with purple band aids.

UNFORGIVABLE, I say.


Very well put (0.00 / 0)
thanks for saying once again what I've been harping on for months.  Is harping a bad word?

Fighting for women at Partizane

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Totally racist and over the line, NH (0.00 / 0)
I mean, come on. Oprah's media empire is called Harpo, and we all know what you were trying to imply with "harping...."

Hehe.  

I'm a Stantonian Democrat.


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In that spirit... (0.00 / 0)
please come on over to The Confluence and check out Our Post-Racial Paradise: A Play in One Dreamy Act.

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And Axelrod's wife is a friend of Senator Clinton's? How can Axelrod's wife look at him in the morning without rancor? (0.00 / 0)
All I know is, I'm very displeased with the Obama campaign.  And if I were the Rev. Jesse Jackson (Sr.), I'd be very angry that Obama was trying to make it appear that no African-American man had ever run for President before, or had serious aspirations for the office.  Hey, were I Al Sharpton, I'd be displeased, too -- Sharpton wasn't a marginal candidate, either, though he wasn't as broad-based as Jackson's Rainbow Coalition (of which I was a proud member).

I resent highly being told that because I selected a superior candidate, I am now a "racist" even though I was a member of Jackson's Rainbow Coalition and voted for Jackson twice -- in '84 and '88.

The Obama people want us to believe that history has started only since 2004, and that's frankly untrue.  They're marketing to people with extremely short attention spans, whom they all hope have the political equivalent of ADD (attention deficit disorder), and I, for one, won't stand for it.

I'm with Alegre (great post, btw); these are wounds that won't heal, and Obama is not the one to heal them anyway because he was complicit in his silence when so many of his surrogates came out and attacked Bill Clinton (and later, Hillary Clinton herself) for being "racists," when they were and are no such thing.

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.


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Axelrod's wife a friend of Hillary: (0.00 / 0)
 
and Hillary did fundraisers for them to help raise money for research into developmental disorders, brain damage and epilepsy, a disease their daughter has suffered from her whole life.

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Bob Herbert: Buildings = Phallic Symbols (0.00 / 0)
Did anyone catch Bob Herbert on Morning Joe yesterday trying to claim that the video of the Washington monument and "leaning tower of Pisa" in the RNC ad were really phallic symbols meant to be racist dog whistles?

Not only is Herbert BATSHIT CRAZY, but listening to him go on and on about "the leaning tower of Pisa, it's clear that he is a racist who harbors deeply-held prejudices against Italians with erectile dysfunction.


Ummmm, earth to Bob Herbert.... (0.00 / 0)
All tall buildings are phallic symbols. Boys like to see representations of their pee-pees everywhere. ;-)

The RNC can't help that simple fact of life.

Besides, Herbert is a right-wing shill. If you read that Somerby piece, you'll see how he enthusiastically destroyed Gore in 2000, but is now whining about it now that his Messiah is being destroyed by the same tactics.

I didn't know Al Gore was black.


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poor bob (0.00 / 0)
he got caught, by the Obama co-opt credentials committee. Bob is the best at writing about female exploitation, he goes out on a limb for girls, but he bought the racist line, hook line and sinker, and he can't admit he's been had. but his unconscious can, he takes it too far, makes it clear that something in him knows.  

Hillary - alternative energy

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Scarborough (0.00 / 0)
quietly (too quietly, as far as I'm concerned) pointed out that the tower in the ad was actually the tower in Germany where Obama gave his speech. No one paid him any attention though.

btw, I think the name of the Germany tower is Victory.  Interesting.  Maybe this was BHO's "Victory Accomplished" moment.  Hubris will destroy his campaign, hopefully before he becomes president.


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You wrote the other day about rape (0.00 / 0)
and that is exactly what has happened to the Clinton's, and a rapist must not be excused.  And that is why I cannot vote for Obama.  What he did to them is unconscionable

stupid politics (0.00 / 0)
I don't for a minute think he needed to smear Bill to win the vast majority of African American voters, but he thinks he did.  but just repeating the same lines now that he did early in the primary is beyond dumb.  I mean, they know what's coming, you think they haven't come up with responses, and taken them for test drives?  

Barrack needs to get over himself or he's going to be mocked so throughly he'll make McCain look presidential, which would be some feat.  Except it, plan for it, figure it out?  He walks into any more of these, he's beyond dumb.  

Hillary - alternative energy


Why is Ben ignoring the obvious? (0.00 / 0)
It was obvious that Obama campaign was working like crazy behind the scenes to get reporters to cover the "fake outrages".  Case in point, Hillary's comment regarding primaries lasting till June, and she brought RFK, but being tired, said inartfully that "RFK was assassinated in June", when she should have said, "he was still campaigning in June".

Finally the press called the Obama campaign out.  When Obama said, "oh, I don't think she meant by that", some of the press told Axelrod, "but we are getting 2, 3 memos from you with the story, pushing it."

So, Ben Smith, please write about how Obama campaign kept pushing these stories themselves, and through surrogates.  Also,tell the obvious that Brazile and Clyburn were working for Obama.  Thanks.

(quotes are all from memory and paraphrased.)


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