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Birth Certificate Never Checked for Presidential Run

by: catfish

Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 15:49:22 PM EDT


Excuse us as we casually wade into tinfoil-hate topics like birth certificates. But really, does anybody care whether you were born here? Did anybody ever care? Did anybody ever check? Many sources point to no.

Wake up Ahnold, your dream could well come true. Should you produce a plausible storyline that you were actually born on American soil before being whisked off to spend your youth in Austria, only to return to your mother land of America for opportunity, you too could become her leader.

If you can convince enough people, you'll never need proof. Because no bureaucrat actually checks your birth certificate. All the "papers" filed to run for president are financial disclosure forms, according to this Slate explainer article:

A lot. The bureaucratic campaign begins when a candidate first gets together an exploratory committee. In general, candidates register their committees as not-for-profit corporations. Giuliani's filing in New York describes his corporation as one that will "conduct federal 'testing-the-waters' activities under the Federal Election Campaign Act." (Click for a PDF.) In many cases, these activities don't amount to very much beyond polling, traveling, and making phone calls, until the exploratory committee gives way to a "campaign committee" later on.

Once the committee decides the waters are warm, it's time to file a Statement of Candidacy. This includes the candidate's name and address, the name and address of his or her principal campaign committee, and little else. Technically, you don't need to fill out the paperwork until you've raised or spent $5,000 on your campaign; after that, you have 15 days to send the form to the FEC and the opposing candidates. A candidate gets another 10 days to fill out a Statement of Organization, which registers his or her principal campaign committee with the FEC. The document designates a treasurer and a custodian of records to oversee money in and money out.

catfish :: Birth Certificate Never Checked for Presidential Run
In fact, by the time you've got enough buzz to be a viable candidate for president, it's just assumed you were born here, you're at least 35 years old, and you meet all the technical job requirements. State by state, your name gets on that ballot. You think they stop Hillary Clinton or John McCain 50 times to ask for their finger prints or driver's license or passport? Massachusetts doesn't:

There are three ways for the names of presidential candidates to be placed on the presidential primary ballot:

   * Candidates may file nomination papers with at least 2500 certified signatures. For primary ballot placement, signatures of at least 2,500 voters must be certified by local election officials and subsequently filed with the Secretary of the Commonwealth.*

   * The Secretary of the Commonwealth may place candidates on the ballot who have been generally advocated or recognized in the national news media.

   * The chairperson of each party's state committee may designate names to be listed.

As for the other states, I am looking them up one by one.

But it's been Arnold Schwarzenegger's dream to some day become president. His office displays busts of Ronald Reagan and John F. Kennedy. I may not agree with my governor on many things, but he loves this country and would one day like to lead it. I have a right to vote against him, but maybe he has a right to run for the highest office in the land. After all, nobody really verify you were born here.

UPDATE: This diary is also a response to TexasDarlin, who has been wearing herself out trying to prove Obama's birth certificate is fake. It could be a cartoon, but it wouldn't matter, because there is no single bureaucrat that checks a candidate's certificate of live birth..

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MSNBC: Signatures required for POTUS run. No Birth Cert mentioned. (0.00 / 0)
A reader asks how they could run as an Independent:
WASHINGTON - Dear Consultant:  I am a wealthy, former business owner who is now the chief executive of a large governmental organization. If I wanted to run for president of the United States as an independent, what do I need to do?

Dear Sir: The short answer is you need to gather enough signatures on petitions to get on the ballot in all 50 states. And spend a LOT of money on advertising.



A very important note. (0.00 / 0)
Barack Obama's campaign has said that this is the real birth certificate:

Link: http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...

Date of this blog seems to be June 16, 2008.

(UPDATE: In reaction to some of the comments left below challenging the veracity of the document, Ben LaBolt, an Obama campaign spokesman, sent the following reaction to The Ticket: "I can confirm that that is Sen. Obama's birth certificate.")
(emphasis mine)

The article has a jpeg version of the certificate. By my untrained eyes, it seems a better quality than either KOS version, or fight the smear.

I put a comment to this effect at NoQuarter, but I think it got lost in details.

It's my suggestion to TexasDarlin and Techdude to also examine this copy and make sure the analysis is the same.

Just saying.  


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Thanks ghost2 (0.00 / 0)
interesting, but who is Ben LaBolt, and can he be charged with forgery? Notice Obama could say HE never said it was his birth certificate. Why didn't say Senator Obama says this is his birth certificate.
The Obama campaign has provided at The Ticket's request what it says is a copy of the Illinois senator's official birth certificate, reproduced here, showing he was born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961, at 7:24 p.m., which means he was late for dinner, just like a politician. Click on the photo to enlarge for reading.

Now, about the citizenship of all those people planting these rumors.

(UPDATE: In reaction to some of the comments left below challenging the veracity of the document, Ben LaBolt, an Obama campaign spokesman, sent the following reaction to The Ticket: "I can confirm that that is Sen. Obama's birth certificate.")

(I added the italics to the word "says".)


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That one looks fake to me too (0.00 / 0)
the font on the birth cert looks way too perfect. It does not look like a scanned image.

If it were perfect font on a paper document that was later scanned, it would not be that perfect.


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California Sec State Website: Petitions, Buzz required. (0.00 / 0)
How to get your name on the California ballot:
There are two basic methods by which a person may have his or her name placed on the ballot as a presidential candidate in the March 7, 2000 Presidential Primary Election:

  1. by the Secretary of State as a generally-recognized candidate, or
  2. by circulating nomination petitions.



Doesn't the Constitution (0.00 / 0)
require a candidate for president be a naturally born citizen of this country?  If not born on U.S. soil, you can qualify as naturally born by being the offspring of U.S. citizens.  Check TexasDarlin.  She know these rules inside out.


Yes, but nobody ever verifies that you were. (0.00 / 0)
In fact, many states put you on the ballot on the basis of media coverage. California sec state website says if you've gotten on the ballot in other states, they'll put you on California's.

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even that (0.00 / 0)
requires a birth certificate, with you're mother's name and nationality. i have no doubt that he's a natural born citizen, but I do doubt he can think ahead to figure out what might be a problem and take steps to make sure it doesn't.  

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I assumed he was born here UNTIL I saw his birth cert (0.00 / 0)
and even then I paid little attention.

But his birth cert was very fake-looking and isn't it odd that it debuted on the daily kos website, then moved over to the fightthesmears.com website?

Anyway, I paid little attention even then. But looking at it, no one bureaucrat is responsible for verifying whether you were born here.


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South Carolina: birth cert never mentioned (0.00 / 0)
From CNN:
To make the cut, a candidate must demonstrate two requirements: that he or she is viable nationally and has spent time campaigning in the state.


BC might disagree. (0.00 / 0)
Referring to Obama's candidacy, Bill Clinton said:

"That everybody has a right to run for president as long as they're qualified under the Constitution"

and what does the Constitution require for qualification?


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It's like dominoes (0.00 / 0)
The first state puts him on the ballot because he's gotten attention in the news media. The next state puts him on the ballot because the other states have put him on their ballots.

Only the FEC supervises this at the federal level, and they only oversee finances.  


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This doesn't make sense. (0.00 / 0)

Qualifications required by the Constitution must be legally binding.  Aren't there any attorneys checking into this?

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It's unprecedented, candidates are open books (0.00 / 0)
this is the most mysterious candidate we've had that has gotten this far.

But you're right, that could be our next step. I am going to call the Nader campaign and ask if they've been asked for his Birth Cert., he's having trouble getting on the ballot in some states.  


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Obama's eligibility (0.00 / 0)
I've been following the fake birth certificate and citizenship series at Texas Darlin's blog. I believe that Obama's BC is a fake -- but why is the big question. I also think they are on to something with Obama possible having dual citizenship which could disqualify him for having divided loyalties. I foresee some interesting legal challenges.

Wouldn't that be a hoot if Obama is ineligible and Hillary gets the nomination by default. HA!  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  


hopefully, (0.00 / 0)

the case will be made before the convention. maybe Bill Clinton knows about the birth certicate thing and that might explain his recent comment that anyone can run for pres. as long as they're qualified by the Constitution.  What does the constitution say, other than being at least 35 years old?


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Problem is it seems "fringe" to question his birth cert. (0.00 / 0)
so we need to do a head-fake to get it in the news again. Like question McCain's birth cert. Or say Arnold could have slipped into the presidential race had he constructed a story like Bill Richardson that said he was born here, then raised in Austria, then moved back. (Richardson was born here, then moved to Mexico in his childhood, then moved back.)

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clever! (0.00 / 0)

and not too clever by half, I hope!

(that's a funny expression, isn't it?)


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Yeah and we/I/somebody could do more legwork (0.00 / 0)
to catalogue each of the 50 states. But it appears, so far at least, that states put him on the ballot of the networks include him in debates. Or pollsters include him in polls. There is no point person.  

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Constitutional requirements & natural born citizen (0.00 / 0)
Section 1 of Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution states that a President must:

- be a natural born citizen of the united States
- be at least 35 years old
- have lived in the U.S. for at least 14 years

Section 1401 has the details on Nationals and citizens of United States at birth.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  


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thanks! (0.00 / 0)

Now natural born citizen has to be defined.  I know TexasDarlin is working hard on that one.  On the face of it, doesn't it mean 2nd generation or further along? (You can't just immigrate and run for president.)  Since BHO's mother was an American citizen, doesn't that make him second generation -- even if other stuff re. his birth certificate has been fudged in some way?  Unless she had canceled her own citizenship -- is that possible to do?



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Dual citzenship (0.00 / 0)
Obama does fulfill the natural born requirement whether he was born in Hawaii or outside of the US, because his mother was a US citizen. The issue now is Obama's possible dual citizenship. The law is not clear if a President can also be a citizen of another country -- the problem of divided loyalties, which is what TD contributor JB is getting at.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

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Aha. (0.00 / 0)
Never knew that.

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Nice job, catfish (0.00 / 0)

I've been avoiding the whole COLB issue soon after it was first brought up. If it were a real issue, it'd have been dealt with a while back.

Catfish, you bring up good, common sense points about this issue. Thanks!

Country before party.


response to TD (0.00 / 0)
Since this diary is a response to TexasDarlin's efforts, I'm curious how she has responded to your points.  Have you posted this on her website, or made a comment there with these points?

She has not responded (0.00 / 0)
She is focusing on whether or not his birth cert is real. This diary focuses on another angle: fake or not, it wouldn't matter. Nobody checks.

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I recall (0.00 / 0)
a discussion on TD's blog about Obama having to file paperwork in IL, then once it's filed he doesn't have to show proof anymore. All the states allow him on the ballot.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

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Not trusting the Obama gang at all (0.00 / 0)
Many of us wonder what he'll be doing while in Hawaii- maybe to clean-up the COLB issue?

Maybe he'll be doing what Bush did to some of his (0.00 / 0)
records in Texas.

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I still think this is silly (0.00 / 0)
This has been out for months with no traction.  Why beat a dead horse?  If it's fake, he's clearly gotten away with it.  It's no different from the KOSers bashing McCain for being born outside of the country- if it was going to hold him up, someone would have mentioned it several years and $450+ million ago.

I just think by making noise about this it hurts our movement and our cause.


I sort of agree (0.00 / 0)
I thought the diary would die down by now.  

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Think of it this way (0.00 / 0)
If all I had was a tooth pick, I would still use it to try to dislodge the Obama product from the Democratic Party.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

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To take that further (0.00 / 0)
If all you had was a toothpick, but your toothpick made a farting noise every time you pulled it out and cracked everybody up, would you whip it out in front of people you were trying to convince of something?

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