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Too Little, Too Late - Florida is a Lost Cause for Obama

by: campskunk

Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 12:06:58 PM EDT


Barack Obama's empty gesture this week to support full voting for the FL and MI delegation isn't fooling anyone. Supporting this after making the close primary contest non-competitive by rigging the Rules and ByLaws Committee meeting on May 31 and packing state delegations with Obama supporters in appointed delegates positions isn't convincing Floridians that Obama wants to hear what they have to say.  The 48 state strategy has come home to roost.

A Survey USA poll of likely voters out yesterday tells the sad story. Obama can kiss those 27 electoral votes - 10% of the 270 needed for the win - goodbye. It's not even close. McCain is leading by six percent overall, and Obama's leading only among his core support groups.

campskunk :: Too Little, Too Late - Florida is a Lost Cause for Obama
Let's look at the crosstabs, and you'll see time and again that Obam's advantage in his favored demographic groups is overwhelmed by McCain's. Starting with gender and age...

Obama polls better among women, right? Um, no. Not Florida women. He's losing the female vote by seven points - MORE than the five-point gap among males. Dissing Hillary Clinton is bad for your political health in Florida, apparently.

And where are all those young people who are going to boost Obama's numbers? Well, they're there, but they're being outvoted by the adults, who are supporting John McCain by large margins. Among the EXTREMELY young (less than 35), Obama is ahead 60%-32%, but in all the age categories above that, McCain is ahead by 12 to 14 point margins. Under 35s are only 17% of the sample, compared to a whopping 30% 65 and over. Running around registering young people isn't a good strategy in Florida.  Those geezers will kick your ass every time.

So maybe the Hispanic vote will show up and save Obama...right? Wrong. VERY tepid support for Obama in the state where Hillary took the Hispanic vote. A Survey USA poll out before the primary showed Obama polling at nine percent among Hispanics. NINE PERCENT. Obama's getting a six point advantage over John McCain among Hispanics, and that's just because they're being polite. The black support and Hispanic golf claps is being overwhelmed by a 19% advantage among white voters. All that race card stuff Obama tried throughout the primary season backfired on him.

Twenty percent of Democrats are PUMAs - not too different from the 18% of Republicans supporting Obama. Where Obama loses this election is among independents, where McCain enjoys a nine point advantage. Oops... looks like that "sell out core democratic values in an attempt to lure Rs and independents" strategy didn't work too well, Barack.

But wait...what about the Supreme Court??? SURELY those people will vote for Obama because of the Obama camp's Lolita argument... they have nowhere else to go, right?

Sorry, Obama. Thanks to your sellout and backtracking on "mental distress isn't a real reason", all you get is an 18% advantage among pro-choice voters... which is crushed by McCain's 39% advantage among anti-abortion voters. People would rather take their chances with McCain appointing judges than place any trust in your campaign built on misogyny. You're likable, but I guess you aren't likeable enough.

In summary, a six percent loss in FL in the general election would be about half a million votes (out of a projected 8 million plus turnout). What am I going to do? Well, my vote won't help Obama - he needs another 499,999 votes to be competitive. I could safely vote for him, knowing he'll lose, or I could just not vote. Unlike Lolita, I DO have somewhere else to go, Obama - the house. I could sit at home on election day and still have voted for every legitimately nominated Democratic presidential candidate beginning with McGovern in 1972.

The question I'm wrestling with is, do I want to reward Obama's deplorable campaign tactics with a vote? Is this what the Democratic Party has become? My vote won't matter, as Obama has been telling me all year - and he turned out to be right, not because he didn't want Hillary's 17 point win in the January primary to count, but because he pissed away yet another crucial swing state with his misogyny, flip-flopping, voter disenfranchising and race baiting campaign strategy. I'm a Floridian - my input isn't welcome. My vote - or non-vote - is going to be strictly symbolic, no matter what. Any suggestions about how I should handle this would be appreciated.

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I am in FL too, and I will not vote for Obama (0.00 / 0)
for the same reasons you list, as well as the fact that he is not qualified to be President. Here in small town FL, the candidates for local office make the rounds and chat up the voters. So far, the only ones that have made it to my door are the Democrats. No Republicans going door to door yet. Each and every Democrat I have spoken to is disgusted with Obama and his tactics. They don't like the way he comes in and takes over the party machinery and then drains the money and staff from the local races for his own bid for office. The voters don't like it much either. When we donate to a local candidate, we don't want the money going to Obama. We want it to be available to the candidate we gave it to. One scenario we, a candidate and I, were laughing over yesterday was the idea that if he picked Hillary for VP and they had separate levers, checks, whatever, for voting then we would all vote for Hillary and not him. I just had a great giggle over imagining that..Obama running for Pres and his VP getting all the votes instead. Heh. And as far as his selected delegates go, he may be in for a shock..not all the Obama supporters are hanging with him at the convention. Many of them are disgusted by the DNC and the selection and plan to do a double-cross in Denver. So, Obama isn't in like Flynn by a long shot. There is still hope for Hillary.  

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I really like the separate levers idea! (0.00 / 0)

and the double-crossovers sound promising...

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When the candidate I was talking to mentioned it (0.00 / 0)
a little light bulb went on over my head, and I asked if any one she knew was a delegate. Well, no, and the local party isn't very active..we have Alan Boyd in Congress and he usually runs unopposed. So, I am going to get in touch with the Dem party tomorrow and get a list of the FL delegates and get on the phone, and get all my friends on the phone to them, explaining why a vote for Hillary in Denver is the best thing for the country. Michigan Dems should do the same.

Check the party rules, the delegates are NOT bound by their pledges, I think. At least, not after the first ballot, if then. So we can do this, all we have to do is talk Michigan and Florida into voting all their delegates for Hillary and swing a few more supers and she has the nomination.

I hate to say this(snicker), but YES, WE CAN!!! So, let us go forth and get that nomination for Hillary. We need her, badly.  

Live your life in such a way that when your feet
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My only suggestion (0.00 / 0)
for Obama is to put Hillary on the ticket and hope that it helps.  Otherwise, I don't see how he can pull it off.

As for myself, I'm not going to make up my mind until election day.  I had decided to vote for Obama at one point, but now I'm not so sure.  A lot will depend on his VP pick.


Isn't it obvious (0.00 / 0)
that Obama won't pick Hillary by now?

Obama's entire strategy was based on insulting and dismissing Hillary and her voters. The goal of his campaign was to kick the Clintons out of the Party.

Do we really think that all of a sudden, he's going to realize that he needs Hillary and her 18 million to win?


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No. Its Not Obvious (0.00 / 0)
Putting her on the ticket is the only way we'll win the WH.

Its also the only way he'll win my vote.

With millions of people in need of help and a Dem in the WH right now, I'm going to keep pushing the ticket.  Not saying it'll happen but I'll keep advocating for it.

Too much is at stake to wait another 4 or even 8 years.

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i'm going to keep pushing the ticket... (0.00 / 0)
...just to see the look on the obamazoids' faces ;-)

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.

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I'm a Florida voter too (0.00 / 0)
I cannot believe the audacity and stupidity that the DNC, Obama, and the Democratic party displayed in disenfranchising Florida of all states. It's wrong no matter what, but FLORIDA!

Could there be anything more stupid than for Dems to disenfranchise Florida? Yep, select Obama as the party nominee over an older, wiser, stronger, smarter, more experienced candidate who won the popular vote, won the people's trust, and who could win the general election.

Camp, I know this is not a decision to make lightly. We each have to do what feels right for us as citizens and as Democrats. I will not for Obama. I am voting against him in protest and will cast a vote for McCain. I have recently considered voting Green Party, but I want to make sure Obama and his campaign tactics are not rewarded. A McCain vote means Obama loses one vote and his main opponent (McCain) picks up one.


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florida voters (0.00 / 0)

My mother is a Forida Dem voter, a life-long and loyal Democrat, and she will not be voting for Obama.  She's disgusted with the DNC. And all her friends feel the same way.

And personally, I'd rather have Hillary run again in four years -- which she can do if McCain wins -- than serve as VP for 8 years in a creepy Obama Administraion.  That's if he gets a second term.  If he doesn't, he'll take her down with him if she's part of his administration.


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Hillary Clinton - June 7, 2008

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