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Clinton Campaign Debt FAQ [Updated]

by: grlpatriot

Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 19:06:20 PM EDT


( - promoted by campskunk)

I have done some digging into debt retirement deadlines and Hillary Clinton's Presidential campaign finances to find out more information that inquiring PUMA minds want to know. I set this post up as a FAQ. If I did not answer your question, ask it in the comments. I will do my best to find the answer.


Has PUMA been able to pay down Hillary's campaign debt?
How much is Hillary's campaign debt?
How much did Hillary loan her campaign?
How long does Hillary have to raise money to pay off her campaign debt?
What happens to Hillary's campaign general election funds?
Can Hillary use general election funds to retire her campaign debt?
What has Hillary been doing to pay off her campaign debt?
When will the next campaign fund raising reports come out?
Should I still donate to help retire Hillary's campaign debt?

grlpatriot :: Clinton Campaign Debt FAQ [Updated]
Has PUMA been able to pay down Hillary's campaign debt?

We won't know the answer to that questions until the campaign files their next monthly report with the FEC on Wednesday, August 20th. If you recall, in early July, the Just Say No Deal coalition kicked off the July 4th/$20.08 fundraiser, which may have raised an estimated $6-10 M according to Will Bower.

The campaign filing for June shows that the campaign received $2.7 M in individual contributions. July's report will include July 4th/PUMA fund raising donations. Will's estimate may be accurate.

How much is Hillary's campaign debt?

According to campaign reports filed with the FEC on July 20, which includes campaign figures from 06/01/2008 through 06/30/2008, Hillary has $26.7 M cash on hand; however, $23 M is designated for the general election. The campaign debt totals $25.2 M, including almost $13.2 M that Hillary loaned herself. Including these loans, the campaign has approximately $21.5 M in debt to retire.

I spent some time reviewing the campaign's FEC filings for Hillary Clinton for President. I thought I'd share links to the information I found. On July 20, the campaign filed their monthly report for the period from 06/01/2008 through 06/30/2008. Hillary has loaned her campaign a total of $13,175,000. The campaign's debts and obligations total $12,026,720. This includes $5,279,535 for Mark Penn's firm, Penn, Schoen & Berland Assoc. LLC.

How much did Hillary loan her campaign?

As you recall, Hillary began to fall behind in fund raising prior to Super Tuesday. The Obama campaign out spent her sometimes as much as 3 or 4 to 1. Hillary has loaned her campaign a total of $13,175,000.

  • 01/28/2008 - $5,000,000
  • 04/11/2008 - $5,000,000
  • 05/01/2008 - $1,000,000
  • 05/06/2008 - $425,000
  • 05/20/2008 - $550,000
  • 05/28/2008 - $200,000
  • 06/30/2008 - $1,000,000

Hillary has always maintained that she considers the loan to her campaign as an investment and only wants to insure that the small vendors are paid.

How long does Hillary have to raise money to pay off her campaign debt?

Hillary has until the convention to raise money to retire her presidential campaign debt, after that the debt can be transferred to her Senate campaign where funds can be raised to retire the debt, or with FEC approval, she can renegotiate payment with some of her vendors.  According to The New York Times,

There is technically no deadline for Mrs. Clinton to pay back her creditors, but because of a clause in the McCain-Feingold campaign finance measure that was intended to limit the ability of candidates to self-finance campaigns, she has until the convention in August to pay herself back. After that, the most she could recover is $250,000.

Hillary has always maintained that she considers the loan to her campaign as an investment and only wants to insure that the small vendors are paid.

What happens to Hillary's campaign general election funds?

Hillary currently has over $23 M in her general election fund and has until August 28th to allocate those funds. The campaign began contacting general election donors in July to designate their contributions to her 2012 senatorial reelection campaign or to request a contribution refund. The WaPo reported on July 16 that:

Clinton herself is reportedly stepping up her effort to raise money for him [Obama] -- while also hurrying to retire her debt and reallocate her general-election funds before an Aug. 28 deadline, after which time all the money from her general-election account has to be given back to the donors.

Can Hillary use general election funds to retire her campaign debt?

I'm not sure about this one. The legal eagles interviewed by the NY Times disagreed.

...several campaign finance experts were divided about whether she could take the money from the general election designated to her Senate coffers and use it toward her debt.

Kenneth Gross, a campaign finance lawyer with Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, said that he believed such a maneuver was possible but that he would advise her to obtain an advisory opinion from the commission to guide her. "I think there's a good argument that she can," Mr. Gross said. "It's not 100 percent clear."

But Mr. Baran said he believed categorically that the action would be illegal.


What has Hillary been doing to pay off her campaign debt?

Since she suspended her presidential campaign on June 7, Hillary has been vigorously fund raising for Barack Obama, as well as, to retire her own campaign debt. I didn't track down all the events, but here are several recent and upcoming fundraisers:

  • On Thursday, July 31, Hillary attended three San Francisco/Silicon Valley fundraisers. One event, for $500 a head and approximately 150 people attended, raised $75,000. This event is most notable for it's video footage of Hillary saying she does want her name put into nomination.
  • At the end of July, the campaign kicked off a Dinner with Hillary online fundraiser in which Bill chimed in as well.
  • Advertised as a fund raising event to help Hillary retire her campaign debt, Gov. Bill Richardson and Hillary are scheduled to make joint appearances at two fundraisers in New Mexico on August 17, 2008. The event is supposedly an example of how Obama is helping Hillary and unifying the party, but according to GRL at InsightAnalytical, Richardson might be helping himself instead.

When will the next campaign fund raising reports come out?

The campaigns will file their next monthly reports with the FEC on Wednesday, August 20th. We will know then how much of Hillary's campaign debt has been retired.

Should I still donate to help retire Hillary's campaign debt?

Absolutely! If Hillary's name is placed into nomination, and she does become the nominee, she will need cash to make a comeback and compete against McCain in the general election. I encourage everyone to make a donation before the convention.

Crossposted at Red Hot & Blue Politics

[Updated] Clarification in section "How much is Hillary's campaign debt?" -- rewrote section to include: the campaign has $26.7 M cash on hand; however, $23 M is designated for the GE. Including Hillary's loans, the campaign has approximately $21.5 M in debt to retire.  

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investment in truth (0.00 / 0)
she kept going, and every day she released issue papers, and responded to domestic and international events and crises, within hours, sometimes minutes. She set the bar for knowledge and openness and practical solutions very high, neither of the two guys has even attempted to let us know where they stand, she did it multi-times a day.

Algere made some great diaries, just from using Hillary's releases and Al's own personal experience of benefiting from Hillary's agenda.  

Hillary donated to setting the bar very very high.  We need to remind both presumptuous candidates that they are falling far short.  It's not an impossible ideal anymore, it's been done.  Just copy her. (although they might also have to hire some smarter people, one of them might even be able to hire her, if he isn't too proud to hire people smarter than him)  

by the by, I once worked with this guy who wouldn't hire better looking men or smarter women.   His group never figured it out.  (he didn't hire me, to preempt the jokes, hamster)  

Hillary - alternative energy


you were grandfathered in as beautiful? ;-) (0.00 / 0)


Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.

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well, it wasn't hard being better looking (0.00 / 0)
the fellow's he hired were hard on the eyes, and the women looked okay, but dumb as posts.  He ran an amusing department. No one wanted to drop in on his meetings. He also had this weird smile, like a Tourette's smile, if you can imagine, and of course he couldn't help it, it came at the most inappropriate times, and once this old Hungarian aristocrat asked him, what's the joke, and the poor fellow looked so distressed, but could not stop smiling.  I look better now, jaded works for me.  

Hillary - alternative energy

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She made a wise investment (0.00 / 0)
even if the dividends are not readily seen. She has garnered the good faith of millions of supporters who still stand by her and the respect of many former foes. Also, I feel that her campaign is our campaign and the campaign debt is ours to help retire, which is why I wrote this post.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

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Thanks. (0.00 / 0)
for all the work you do on this site.  Your contributions are appreciated.  

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You are most welcome (0.00 / 0)
We are all in this together.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

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Excellent, well-researched post, Grlpatriot. (0.00 / 0)
Glad to see it, and appreciated reading it very much. :-)

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.

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this is a very good analysis. (0.00 / 0)
i misinterpreted what i saw when i went to the FEC page - i saw 26 million in assets and 25 in debt, so i figured she was in the black. not so - 23 million of the assets are for the general election. she can't use them to pay primary debt.   those figures are old now - hopefully she's going to be in better shape after the july 4 efforts and our other contributions. AND the fundraisers.

even worthless obama managed to give her access to his fundraisers, who coughed up 380k. meanwhile, she raised 500k for obama, but hey, who's counting, right? ;-)

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.


Thanks, Camp (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, I think people might be making the same mistake about the general election funds. I tried to put this together in a way that was both informative and easy-to-use.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

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ABC NEWS covered HRC tonight (0.00 / 0)
Charlie Gibson's story had the video that we've seen.
Hillary speaking to supporters saying she wants to
stay in for the delegate vote.
We need to all send emails of support to ABC News, and
watch them.
http://abcnews.go.com/Site/pag...

ABC (0.00 / 0)

It's interesting I heard that ABC is not going to be included in the debates.  I bet BHO is afraid ABC might ask him a tough question.  They have 4 people lined up to ask questions:  2 people from NPR (Jim Leher and Gwen Ifill), one from NBC (I think Tom Broker), and one from CBS (Bob Schieffer).


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Jake Tapper also wrote something favorable to her (0.00 / 0)
not necessarily favorable, he just reported facts that few are willing to report. I forgot about them being excluded from debates. Maybe that frees them up to report stuff like this:
Sen. Barack Obama's campaign appears reluctant to have any sort of roll call vote at the Democratic convention this month. Why? They have no interest in highlighting the narrowness of his victory.

This would mean the first Democratic convention without a roll call vote since President Lyndon Johnson ran unopposed for reelection in 1964.



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Tees (0.00 / 0)
Weren't the t-shirts for her campaign debt too? Any idea how many were sold? I bought a couple of them.

"This One Is For You" T-shirts (0.00 / 0)
Great question. Yes, the proceeds from "This One Is For You" T-shirts are going to help retire Hillary's campaign debt.

I am not sure how many have been sold. I'll try to find out. I checked the Project T-shirt site and it is still active, so I am assuming they haven't sold out.

Alice left me in Wonderland.  


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Can Obama use her debt as leverage over her? (0.00 / 0)
Nice compilation gp.  

Not really (0.00 / 0)
Sure, it would have been nice for Obama to help her fund raise more than he did. But Hillary (and Bill) have major fund raising prowess so no real leverage there. If anything, Obama needs Hillary and her donors more than she needs his.

There is a big push to retire as much of the debt as possible before the convention. I think she wouldn't mind recovering some of the the money she loaned the campaign so that has to be done before the convention.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  


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She really expanded my way of thinking (0.00 / 0)
of what a woman in power could look like. It is an investment.  

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CBS: She's repaying debt more than other candidates (0.00 / 0)
Nice to see:
According to political analyst and St. Joseph's University history professor Randall Miller, it is not surprising that Clinton would push to pay all colleges and vendors because they are institutions with large constituencies.

Though Miller noted that many "also-ran" candidates leave their debt hanging, he said that there is more pressure on Clinton than on an average former candidate to repay her debt.

As an "emerging element within the party and the nation," Miller said that "she can't just shrug her shoulders and walk away."

He also noted that repaying all colleges, universities and vendors was a smart move for a politician interested in running in 2012 or later.

"It doesn't mean that Clinton will be making a bid in 2012, although I wouldn't rule it out," Miller said. "It certainly helps her out."

Though the party's nominee traditionally assumes the losing candidate's debt, presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama's efforts to raise funds for Clinton have been, Miller noted, less than stellar.



Excellent practical information, (0.00 / 0)
thanks for digging it up for us. Heidi Li has been posting stuff on and off before turning fulltime attention to the nomination thing, so good to have all that info here in one place.

One request, do you have correct, updated links to make donations to Hillary's different accounts, such as retire debt vs. senate acct. etc. Some of the url have changed I believe. Could you post them?

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