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Bill To Speak at Convention

by: Alegre

Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 22:22:18 PM EDT


Ok I briefly had to give Camp BHO credit for getting out ahead of something I'd planned on teasing them for.  In tonight's report on the campaign and convention, Andrea Mitchell ran through today's latest developments re that video SimoFish took at that fundraiser last week - where Hillary told the gathering that she wanted to see her name put into nomination so people could unite behind BHO etc.  (BTW - nice to see the MSM are only taking a WEEK to catch up to the rest of us on this story - used to be they ignored this sort of thing altogether!).

No comment on that bit where BHO craps all over the notion of a catharsis for Hillary's delegates at our party's convention.  We all know which end of his anatomy he's talking out of when he says stuff like that.

Mitchell closed the report by noting that BHO had yet to offer Bill a chance to speak at our convention.  I sent a quick note to a couple friends saying that yeah... the only two-term Democratic President to come along in generations and BHO hadn't yet shown a bit of class and asked him to address the delegates?  How messed up is that?

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So I thought for a split second this evening, well fair play to them - they got out ahead of this one for once.  MSNBC just fired up a report noting Andrea's update - that camp BHO have announced that Bill would be speaking the night after Hillary gives the key note speech.  

...the Obama campaign, in an effort to quiet talk of the Obama-Clinton drama, has offered Bill Clinton a speaking role on Wednesday night at the Democratic convention -- before the vice presidential running mate speaks.

Thing is, the night before the nominee's acceptance speech is typically the night they run through the roll call vote, as Jonathan Alter notes here...

The sticking point is almost certainly about timing. Hillary is scheduled to speak Tuesday, Aug. 26. But the balloting for the nomination normally takes place Wednesday night. The Obama people are reconciled to Tuesday being Clinton Night ... but they don't want the pro-Hillary floor demonstrations to mar the Obama message on Wednesday.

Ok hang on... re that credit thing?  I take it back.  Sounds like by giving Bill a chance to speak on Wednesday, he's trying to short-circuit any sort of meaningful roll call vote.

Ya know we can get around all of these head-games if the Superdelegates would just back the grown-up in this race and send up Hillary to go against McCain in the general election.
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clueless, clueless, clueless. (0.00 / 0)
i think obama's notion of a catharsis is "oh no, the women are going to get emotional!"

he's deficient in empathy, and doesn't understand the need to validate the achievements of hillary's campaign. the way he sees it, there were no achievements. get over it.

obama's cluelessness was illustrated in the video of him talking to reporters about angry hillary supporters. his answer was, "we're talking to hillary - we aren't talking to THOSE PEOPLE."

he's used to his own campaign structure, where people support him because... well, because he's obama. with hillary's supporters, it's different. people were drawn to her because of the issues. i don't agree with her on some things - the AUMF, for instance - but overall, she has the best policy positions. obama thinks talking to hillary will ensure that we will all "get over it".

the problem is, hillary isn't responsible for our actions, and obama can't deal with - or even communicate with - people who disagree with him, so he's writing us off. that's how he's planning on wasting our quadrennial opportunity to gain control of the presidency. it will go down the toilet because of the weaknesses of this man.  

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.

Because he dragged it out, the conflict will overshadow his message (0.00 / 0)
Mr. Conflict-Avoidant inflamed a conflict by trying to avoid it.

Tee hee.

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O is passive/aggressive (0.00 / 0)
Don't you think?
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Oh yeah. Nothing makes me more hostile than the phrase (0.00 / 0)
"above the fray." Grrr!
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Of Course He Doesn't Need Catharsis (0.00 / 0)
He's sitting pretty thanks to the Toxic Trio (Dean Pelosi and Brazile).  They allowed this inexperienced arrogant jerk (hi Cheetos!) with a paper-thin resume to declare Mission Accomplished and take control of our party.

He don't need no steenkin' catharsis.

But ya know what?  Hillary's 18 million supporters and our delegates DO need this and we're not going to shut up and go away until they do right by us by putting OUR CANDIDATE on the ballot in Denver.

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I've got to be honest (0.00 / 0)

I'm ambivalent about pressing for a vote.  I know that a vote is the right thing to do.  Its sets a terrible precedent to forgo a vote in such a close election.

But I don't think a vote is going to change much.  In the first place, everything that has been said over the past couple of weeks makes it clear that the vote will only occur if Obama sanctions one and he's only going to sanction a vote if he is absolutely certain that he will win.  Where's the democracy in that?  That's an election only Robert Mugabe can love.

Second, its not going to make me shut up and go away.  Last June all I wanted was an acknowledgment of the sexism.  Now I'm radicalized and entrenched in my refusnik posture.

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hillary knows that, of course. (0.00 / 0)
a vote would embarrass obama more than being forced to avoid a vote would, apparently ;-)

obama has the choice- but he doesn't have any GOOD choices. that's the price he has to pay for stealing the nomination.

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.

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I've had this thought myself. (0.00 / 0)

Since we're spending this much time on something that should be a given, it makes you wonder if we're being side-tracked by a red herring. And if there's no roll call, it won't be a convention in the real sense.  BHO will look really bad.  Oppression in the name of fake unity.  Why is it up to him to decide this anyway?  Isn't it the Democratic voters convention, where they're represented by their elected delegates?

And it's taking attention away from the fact that with ALL the votes counted, including Florida and Michigan, Hillary wins the popular vote by 285,000.  

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Just watched a film of Bill talking to the press about Obama. (0.00 / 0)
He said some things about how the press treated Hillary, and alluded to the idea that BO started the negativity, but the press made it look like Hillary did. He said that in January when this is all over, he would like to sit down and talk to them more in depth.  He had some fire in his eyes, and some anger, and we all have no doubt about what he is thinking of saying in January.  Too bad he can't just say what he really wants to say during his speech at the convention.  Now that would make history! And maybe that is what they are all worried about.  If Obama and his followers had just behaved themselves instead of being so dirty and sexist during the campaign, then Obama wouldn't have to spend all his big happy, look at me-I'm the one, moment worried ,looking over his shoulder, and not sleeping at night.  That's Karma, Baby.
I Can't Wait Until Bill's Free to Really Let Loose (0.00 / 0)
on that @sshole.  Seriously.

But then if we somehow manage to convince those supers to back Hillary (HI SUPERS!) and she goes on to kick McCain's sorry backsidei n the general (which you all know she will!) he may need to hold his tongue a while longer.

He'll be first Laddie after all - right? :o)

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I'd like to hear (0.00 / 0)
the first Laddie rip into them.

But, yes, if they are under investigation and prosecution, I guess he'd better wait.

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Obama scared of vote (0.00 / 0)
Obama must be really really scared of a real vote because he's really scared of Bill Clinton.  Krugman calls Obama's Bill aversion bizarre.  Here's Krugman on the topic:

Obama's big economy speech, last week:

   Back in the 1990s, your incomes grew by $6,000, and over the last several years, they've actually fallen by nearly $1,000.

"Back in the 90s?" Why not, "When a Democrat was president?" "Over the last several years?" Why not, "under Bush?"

A prominent Democratic Hillary supporter once told me that Obama gives him "post-partisan depression." Indeed - his apparent unwillingness to take such clear shots is starting to seem bizarre.

Source: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/

Obama trashed (0.00 / 0)
the 90's, Bill's presidency, Hillary, and the Clintons relentlessly during the primaries. Now he celebrates it, talks of it as the good 'ol days, like he was some how connected with it and had always been a fan. It is unforgivable, which is why many loyal Clinton supporters would rather chew glass than support Obama.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  
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And he praised St. Ronnie (0.00 / 0)
was that a capper for the books or what. Glass chewing right now.
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Don't remind me (0.00 / 0)
I had almost forgotten that the pandering suck-up praised Ronnie. (Crunch, crunch, crunch)

Alice left me in Wonderland.  
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Funny that (0.00 / 0)
the press is starting to play nice with Bill and Hillary now that they realize that the Precious has no chance in hell without the Clintons. It's pathetic really. You just can't talk shit about the Clintons, lie and smear them, then act like none of it every happened and expect them to prop up their Precious.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  
Or maybe they're bored. Their readers are (0.00 / 0)
that poll came out voters have heard enough already! About Obama. LOL.

My Repub boss, who is a really awesome boss, said after Hillary suspended her campaign "well it looks like the Clintons are finally done for good, they'll never get near the White House again." Immediately sounded like he was tempting fate.

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Heh, He Clearly Didn't Know About Her Secret Weapon (0.00 / 0)
That'd be US in case anyone's wondering (waves - hi cheetos!).

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It's more exciting now (0.00 / 0)
that both Hillary and Bill are back in the news. Everyone is excited again. Obama fatigue has set in. He's a dullard. The Clintons are smart, witty, gracious, and wickedly brilliant and they don't need a teleprompter to prop them up either.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  
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There is always something new (0.00 / 0)
with them. Always a story. I almost hear banjos playing in my head when they creep back into the news, they liven up the place fo sho ;)
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Too funny: Top of Google News tonight is All Clinton/Obama (0.00 / 0)
Wowzer (0.00 / 0)
Guess BHO was right when he was whining about not having enough time to take on McCain in the GE so they had (JUST HAD) to short-circuit the primary process so he could get to work.

THen he takes a vay-cay-shun and look what happens.

DOH!

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Those Clintons have stamina! (0.00 / 0)
The youngest candidate in this race seems to need the most rest. Take that, ageist millenials!
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BTW... LOVE IT! n/t (0.00 / 0)


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Best news all Summer (0.00 / 0)
I don't understand how Bill speaking on WEDS, can hurt anything,

CS--can you explain that to me,

It makes me very happy they're both there.

Also, This VP talking, I don't understand that either,

WHO iS THAT??

WE ARE FIGHTING A WAR HERE, PEOPLE (0.00 / 0)
Lets' look at Hill's words (and not the lying NYT version)...

Hillary Clinton [speaking on camera with gun pointed at her head]: "I happen to believe that we will come out stronger if people feel that their voices were heard and their views were respected. I think that is a very big part of how we actually come out unified. Because I know from just what I'm hearing, that there's incredible pent-up desire [to stop the horrible wars and to free the United States of America from the slime mold that is eating the economic lower 80% of our population alive]. And I think that people want to feel like, `O.K., it's a catharsis, we're here, we did it, and then everybody get behind Sen. Obama.'[There is not  even an ice cube's chance in hell that his nomination could mean anything but DISASTER for our country and we  damn well know it.] That is what [we want to convince the DNC] most people believe is the best way to go. No decisions have been made. [We have a window of opportunity here.] And so we are trying to work all this through with the [corrupt and dangerous] DNC and with the [corrupt and dangerous] Obama campaign."

We are fighting a war and Hillary knows it and is very limited right now as to what she can say or do. She is being held prisoner by the DNC, the cartel media, and by a big ugly tragic mass of can't-think-outside-the-box popular opinion. She is a prisoner. And yet she is STILL A LEADER, leading even as she has a gun to her head as she speaks (figuratively speaking; a misspeak and her candidacy is dead.) It's there for the few who can see it.

She is molding the situation; she is shaping it. But it is WE who must act to free her.

She said: "Delegates can decide this on their own. They don't need permission. They can decide under the rules of the DNC....

"What we want to have happen is for Sen. Obama to be nominated [she has a gun to her head] by a unified convention of Democrats. [Yes, right... Hillary really believes her soldiers who have sacrificed so much for the differences they know exist between her moral character and  Obama's--who have sacrificed so much for a capable leader to be nominated--she believes they will drop all that and unite behind Senator Zero. My ass they will.] And as I have said, the best way I think--and I could be wrong [she reminds us that she has a gun to her head]--but the best way I think to do that is to have a strategy so that my delegates feel like they have a role, and that their legitimacy has been validated. It's as old as, you know, as Greek drama. [Where the actors performed behind masks and played more than a single role, and where the audience saw not actors upon a stage, but IDEAS in their own minds motivated by a PASSION FOR MORAL TRUTH unlike today's celebrities and their "Look at me! Look at me!" "Admire me."] You know, there is a catharsis. [Yes, right... she wants the convention to be transformed into a wake for the death of her as a candidate. My ass she does.] I mean, everybody comes and, you know, they want to yell and scream and have their opportunity, and I think that's all to the good. [Obama loves his mobs. Hill is motivated by progress, not screaming. We know that.] Because then, you, everybody can go, `OK, great, now let's go out and win'" And that's what we want people to feel. We do not want any Democrat either in the hall or in the stadium or at home walking away saying, `Well, you know, I'm just not satisfied, I'm not happy.' Because, I mean, that's what I'm trying to avoid."

That's what I'm trying to avoid too, Madame President. I hear you.

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