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Wolfson: Edwards' Cover-up Cost Hillary the Nomination

by: campskunk

Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 10:38:02 AM EDT


Sen. Hillary Clinton would be the Democratic presidential nominee if John Edwards had been caught in his lie about an extramarital affair and forced out of the race last year, insists a top Clinton campaign aide, making a charge that could exacerbate previously existing tensions between the camps of Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama.

"I believe we would have won Iowa, and Clinton today would therefore have been the nominee," former Clinton Communications Director Howard Wolfson told ABCNews.com.

Clinton finished third in the Iowa caucuses barely behind Edwards in second place and Obama in first. The momentum of the insurgent Obama camaign beating two better-known candidates -- not to mention an African-American winning in sucn an overwhelmingly white state -- changed the dynamics of the race forever.

Obama won 37.6 per cent of the vote. Edwards won 29.7 per cent and Clinton won 29.5 per cent, according to results posted by the Iowa Democratic Party.

"Our voters and Edwards' voters were the same people," Wolfson said the Clinton polls showed. "They were older, pro-union. Not all, but maybe two-thirds of them would have been for us and we would have barely beaten Obama."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/...

The cascading effects of the Iowa results leading up to South Carolina are there in the historical record for all to see... after Iowa, Obama became the candidate who could win in popular perception, and his support went from 50% of the black vote to 75-80%. If John Edwards hadn't been in the race, Obama's Iowa results never would have happened.

campskunk :: Wolfson: Edwards' Cover-up Cost Hillary the Nomination
Here's Matt Bai on the effect of the Iowa results...

This point about whether Obama was "black enough," a senseless distinction to most white voters, came up often in my discussions. It referred to the perception among some black leaders that not only had Obama not shared their generational experience, but also that he hadn't shared the African-American experience, period. Obama's father was a Kenyan academic; his family came to America on scholarship, not in chains.

Internally, Clinton's strategists set a goal of receiving half the black vote in the Southern primaries, though they calculated that they needed as little as 30 percent in order to beat back Obama. It seemed like a sure bet. Last fall, as the primaries neared, their own polls had them winning more than 60 percent of black voters.

Within hours of Obama's victory in Iowa, however, Clinton's black support began to crumble. Black voters, young and old, simply hadn't believed that a black man could win in white states; when he did, a wave of pride swept through African-American neighborhoods in the South. Nor did those voters apparently have the deep affection for Hillary Clinton that many of their ministers and local pols did. Carol Willis, a Clinton aide from the Arkansas days who was leading the campaign's outreach to black voters, told me, "I always heard people saying: 'I know Bill Clinton. I don't know Hillary Clinton. So I'll give Barack Obama a closer hearing.' " Internal polling in both campaigns after Iowa showed Obama suddenly garnering closer to 75 or 80 percent of the black vote in primary states.

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Yup. (0.00 / 0)
And if he'd kept his zipper zipped,  he wouldn't have disgraced himself, his legacy, and his beautiful family.

Mr. Radiowalla was a huge Edwards supporter and we used to have these raging discussions where my line was always "I just don't like Edwards!"  Now I have one more reason to justify my opinion of him.



Really dirty politics going on in both parties (0.00 / 0)
I can't believe I use to think the Dems could do no wrong. OY! Ah but I'm older now and Bush crap really opened my eyes about corruption. Sadly it's everywhere.

Any hoo, Obama has a new book coming out"
http://www.politico.com/news/s...

I wonder who wrote it? Seriously when would he have had the time??
As a published author of 7 books and it took me 3-6 months daily grinding to write each of them and I'm disabled and at home 24/7.

And O has not disappeared for any great length of time since the primary started to accomplish such a feat.


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The story says that the book was written by (0.00 / 0)
staffers mostly. It's a compilation, I think, of his "hit speeches"..seriously, they said that..hit speeches, like they are on the top forty hit parade or something.

Obama wrote the several-page foreword. Ten or 12 campaign staffers wrote the policy section, which includes: "How to Fix Our Ailing Economy," "How to Strengthen the Middle Class," "How to Make Health Care Affordable for All," "How to Achieve Energy Independence" and "How to Keep America Safe in a Dangerous World."

It's a how-to, or self-help, book. Now all we have to do it buy it, the proceeds are going to go to charity they say, and follow instructions and we will be well-off, healthy, safe and not dependent on oil anymore. Gee, why didn't he say all that before?? With this book and his speeches, what else do we need?? Snicker.  

Live your life in such a way that when your feet
hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says
'Oh $#!%'...she's awake!!


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The story says that the book was written by (0.00 / 0)
staffers mostly. It's a compilation, I think, of his "hit speeches"..seriously, they said that..hit speeches, like they are on the top forty hit parade or something.

Obama wrote the several-page foreword. Ten or 12 campaign staffers wrote the policy section, which includes: "How to Fix Our Ailing Economy," "How to Strengthen the Middle Class," "How to Make Health Care Affordable for All," "How to Achieve Energy Independence" and "How to Keep America Safe in a Dangerous World."

It's a how-to, or self-help, book. Now all we have to do it buy it, the proceeds are going to go to charity they say, and follow instructions and we will be well-off, healthy, safe and not dependent on oil anymore. Gee, why didn't he say all that before?? With this book and his speeches, what else do we need?? Snicker.  

Live your life in such a way that when your feet
hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says
'Oh $#!%'...she's awake!!


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Just like everything else, he probably started it YEARS AGO (0.00 / 0)
don't forget, this whole campaign has been carefully manipulated for YEARS.

I predicted on river daughter, he was going to come out with a book.

He'll probably need the money, once he loses.

I have no doubt, people will be buying it out of curiousity, if nothing else.

He's way ahead of himself here, another indication, he will win the NOMINATION.

Party UNITY my A&&

PUMA


Barack's momentum (0.00 / 0)
started to slip after Edwards got out, and partly because she won a higher percentage of those who backed him, and partly because Barack looked better when compared with Edwards and worse when he was only there with Hillary.  It's yet another reason to have our party do some vetting, to certify candidates as vetted, or to 'bond' them and make them pay back donations should it come to light that they'd been hiding sexual acting out or bribe acting out.  

Hillary - alternative energy

We Knew So Little About Edwards (0.00 / 0)
I hate to think what would have happened if he'd been our nominee and this came out in September!

Guys we know even LESS about BHO.  God(dess) only knows what the goopers have in store for us in the GE.

HILLARY on the other hand, is bar none the most vetted candidate EVER.  The goopers won't be able to pull a skelaton out of her closet in Sept. or October and torpedo our chances at taking back the WH in Nov.

There's still time Supers - save us!

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we have a weird process. (0.00 / 0)
VPs are vetted; presidential candidates, not. (unless they're already a known quantity like HRC) Go figure.

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Oh, it's worse (0.00 / 0)
It wasn't Iowa. Super Tuesday would have put this thing to bed forever for Hillary. I believe the Obama campaign threatened Edwards to pressure him out before that date. If those three candidates had made it to ST, Hillary would be our nominee. It would have been over by OH. Remember, Obama's opponents have a history of dropping out after marital scandals erupt, most usually from (sometimes sealed) court records that Obama's friend's have access to. Believe it. That's also why Obama and edwards didn't get along at first. Remember that whole boondoggle over them meeting at the Edwards compound? Yeah, tensions from the threats still surviving. I'd put money on it.  

I'm a Stantonian Democrat.

Worse, Indeed (0.00 / 0)
Picked this up from the NYTs, via Harpers, via TPM:

Remember that poverty institute Edwards set up?  Well, apparently Edwards has rather round-about ways of fighting poverty.

   The organization, the Center for Promise and Opportunity, raised $1.3 million in 2005, and-unlike a sister charity he created to raise scholarship money for poor students-the main beneficiary of the center's fund-raising was Mr. Edwards himself, tax filings show...

   The organization became a big part of a shadow political apparatus for Mr. Edwards after his defeat as the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2004 and before the start of his presidential bid this time around. Its officers were members of his political staff, and it helped pay for his nearly constant travel, including to early primary states.

   While Mr. Edwards said the organization's purpose was "making the eradication of poverty the cause of this generation," its federal filings say it financed "retreats and seminars" with foreign policy experts on Iraq and national security issues. Unlike the scholarship charity, donations to it were not tax deductible, and, significantly, it did not have to disclose its donors-as political action committees and other political fund-raising vehicles do-and there were no limits on the size of individual donations.

Here's the link to the Harpers article:

http://harpers.org/archive/200...

For some reason Edwards never appealed to me.  I liked everything that he said.  I thought he did a very nice job helping Hillary corner Obama on health care mandates during the South Carolina debate.  I tried not to be judgemental about his recently revealed personal lapses.  I think Elizabeth Edwards is one of the freshest voices in American politics today.  But I just couldn't see why he chose to run for President.  There are so many other things that he could have been doing.

Everyday confirms for me that my unease had a basis in reality.


And here's where Edwards' anti-poverty efforts are today (0.00 / 0)
Again from Harpers http://harpers.org/archive/200...

Edwards of course lost his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination this year, and guess what happened to his big anti-poverty initiative? That's right-it appears he pulled the plug on it.

About a week before Edwards acknowledged having an affair with Rielle Hunter, Edwards quietly shut down a "scholarship program he started at an Eastern North Carolina high school-a program he once promised would be a model for the nation under an Edwards presidency," reports the Raleigh News & Observer:

   Edwards' presidential hopes have evaporated. And he recently informed Greene County officials that he would end the pilot program at Greene Central High School. "We sent a communication out to upcoming seniors and their parents," said Randy Bledsoe, principal of Greene Central High. "Some are saddened that the opportunity is not going to be there for their children. But we've had a lot of positive reaction over the years."



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That's sad (0.00 / 0)
Not surprising but sad. I guess the money dried up for the program. I heard it was quite effective so it saddens me that it couldn't have been expanded.

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It really is, isn't it. (0.00 / 0)


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I disagree with the premise (0.00 / 0)
The dymanics of this race would have been different had Edwards not have been in the race. Like it or not, agree with it or not, Edwards was the first to put himself out there on National Health care this cycle. He was the first to push the envelope on energy. Was he a perfect candidate? No. Did he move the debate left? Absolutely. Personally, it was after Edwards dropped out that I started to relook at Hillary Clinton  and Barack Obama and found Barack obama wanting. I started this cycle with the thought that Hillary was exactly the opposite of what this country needed until I saw her moxie and her willingness to get up and fight every day. I was reminded of all the good she has done on behalf of average folk and I saw that she was smart and(didn't seem to have the baggage of an ego) to try to appeal to the base of her ex opponent.


Obama's Got Problems... (0.00 / 0)
August 11, 2008
The Obama/Wright/Kilpatrick Collision

By Steve Mitchell

Two percent. That's the percent of voters outside the "Motor City" that have a favorable impression of embattled Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. You don't have to be a pollster to understand how strongly disliked Kilpatrick is throughout Michigan.

Sit in any restaurant or bar, and all you hear is people talking about Kilpatrick's troubles. Indicted in March on eight felony counts for committing perjury during a whistleblower trial that eventually cost the city about $9 million, the Mayor spent one night in jail on August 7th for violating his bond and then was arraigned the next day for a new crime. In the latest charges, Kilpatrick is accused of assaulting two sheriff's deputies as they were trying to serve one of his close friends with a subpoena.

And, what does this have to do with Barack Obama? Although Kilpatrick has distanced himself from Obama and Obama has distanced himself from Kilpatrick, they are both inextricably linked to Rev. Jeremiah Wright. And, that is Obama's problem.

The night before Wright imploded in front of the Washington press corps, he was the featured speaker at an NAACP dinner in Detroit where Mayor Kilpatrick gave him a rousing introduction, an introduction shown on local TV news shows. Undoubtedly, some 527 committee or the Michigan Republican Party has that introduction on DVD.

Rev. Wright has already proven to be an albatross around Obama's neck. Obama's support plummeted among white North Carolina General Election voters after TV ads linking him with Rev. Wright were aired during the North Carolina Democratic primary. That plunge in support did not go unnoticed by McCain supporters.

It is very likely that similar ads will be run in key battleground states starting in mid-October. In Michigan, you can bet that the much hated Kilpatrick will be included in the Obama/Wright ads, making them look like the Three Musketeers, "one for all and all for one."

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...

McCain Ahead in Virginia Poll of LV--SUSA
http://www.realclearpolitics.c...


cost Hillary election (0.00 / 0)

Throwing out millions of votes didn't help either.

you're right. (0.00 / 0)
to be more accurate, it kept it close enough to steal, like bush in 2000.

Barack Obama's election proves that any male can grow up to be president, provided he's willing to use misogyny as a campaign strategy.

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It made me so sick when not only did (0.00 / 0)
they half the delegates from Michigan but they also STOLE some of Hillary's and gave them to Obama.  He CHOSE to remove his name from that ticket and there was a strong, clear campaign that a vote for other was a vote for Obama.  I can understand giving him THOSE delegates but not giving him Hillary's too.


Oh, have I mentioned I can't stand Obama?

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I'd agree with the premise that (0.00 / 0)
the DNC cost Clinton the election. They gerryrigged Florida and Michigan and then did the strong arming on the supers to get Barack Obama this nomination. For that alone I may find myself voting third party this cycle.  I don't belong top a banana republic and I refuse to support a party that supports the idea of one.

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I think it's silly to believe (0.00 / 0)
that the DNC would have allowed Clinton to be nominated.  Had it not been for Edwards, they would have found another way to keep her out.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda does no gooda.


No Quarter posted a timeline (0.00 / 0)
of JRE's attacks on Hillary. How John Edwards Helped Destroy Hillary.

Could Edwards, knowing his affair would tank his chances, have entered the race merely to help O!Man stomp out Hillary?  


Glad you posted (0.00 / 0)
that piece from Larry at No Quarter. Edwards relentlessly attacked Hillary, especially during the debates. Do you remember the "pile on" -- it was gross how they all attacked her. Bill Richardson was the only "gentleman" among them. I liked Richardson until he morphed into a Judas.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

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