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The Price of Not Sweeping the Primaries

by: catfish

Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 14:41:48 PM EDT


(because catfish brings a great article to our attention.  Thanks cat. - promoted by NewHampster)

Today, many ridiculous columns spew forth that Obama looked weak by agreeing to allow a roll-call vote to take place at "his" convention (can we officially make this the age of the narcissist when we no longer call the party's convention "our" convention or "their" convention, but "his" special convention? I digress.)

But whether you plan on voting Obama or not, allowing a roll-call vote was the right thing to do. What made Obama look weak was dragging this out for so long. Had he met with Hillary back in June or July to settle this matter, his claim that putting her name in nomination was HIS idea would have been salable.

Anyway, Michael Barone of USNews understands this:

And it explains why they were ready to allow a roll call. They can schedule that for odd hours when there won't be much television coverage (like the "rolling roll call" that took place intermittently at George W. Bush's convention). As for the two Clinton speeches, how could they avoid them? They have to let Hillary have her say, given how many delegates she has. And they can hardly ignore the only politically successful Democratic president of the last 40 years. That means there's a risk that the convention will not be an ideal television extravaganza for the Obama campaign. But that's the price they pay for not sweeping the primaries. Hillary Clinton won more popular votes and more delegates in the primaries than Barack Obama. Obama won the nomination because of the big delegate margins he won in caucuses and because superdelegates went along with him. Nothing is free in politics; there is some question about when you pay the price. Obama will pay the price of not sweeping the primaries in March and April on Tuesday and Wednesday nights. Then he'll have a chance to make up for that on Thursday.
catfish :: The Price of Not Sweeping the Primaries
Obama would have even looked stronger had he admitted his small, even dubious, margin of victory out in the open. Instead it looks like he's trying to hide something as public as his own first name.  
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I like this post but I think it would have been stronger (0.00 / 0)
w.out the middle name reference.

Medicare for All is Civil Rights
OK I will remove it. (0.00 / 0)
But honestly, he would look stronger if he stopped trying to hide that too.
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and I'm sorry but I think that is exactly why we're here (0.00 / 0)
Too many of us starting with Hillary herself have treated the asshole with kid gloves for fear of being called what they call us anyway.

So the newly found racist in me thinks we should call him by his proper given name.

Barry Soetoro

Fighting for women at Partizane

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That's Senator Soetoro (0.00 / 0)
you should know better :)
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I'm telling you guys (0.00 / 0)
it needs the TM behind it so we can recognize this is an "official" ONC product being put out. It's the deluxe model and it comes with it's own fleet of buses.
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Actually Hampster (0.00 / 0)
the question is what is the real name of the man known as Obama. Is it Barry Soetoro or Barack Obama?

It's really too bad that the Democratic Party leaders are going to leave the answers surrounding the technical matters relating to Obama's (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro) legal name, birth certificate, and multiple citizenships -- for the Republicans to answer.

If it is possible to say that the Democratic Party has committed malpractice in not vetting the man known as Obama, then that is exactly what they have done and should be held accountable for it.

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

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In fact Obama is a master at hiding in plain sight (0.00 / 0)
His character make up is there for all to read. The books are a setup for his political ambition and planning. They were written expressly to prime the public for his message. To sell him personally as a brand, ignore the details of policy. Just as each step in his career has been essentially a stepping stone to the next. That would be fine, if not for the fact that the stones of his staircase are real people, partners one moment, under the bus the next. Everyone expendable in pursuit of success. In that notorious New Yorker magazine article his first mentor Preckwinkle says, paraphrase, that Obama never saw any job as something he really wanted to do, but only as a stop along the way to something bigger. Well, someone else is calling shots now, and it hurts.

Still Hearting Hillary, In Slo-Mo toward McCain
All part of his plan: don't take stands (0.00 / 0)
Sadly I hear young people say this, they avoid politics or taking stands for fear of not being hired at some corporate gig down the line:

While students appreciated Mr. Obama's evenhandedness, colleagues sometimes wanted him to take a stand. When two fellow faculty members asked him to support a controversial antigang measure, allowing the Chicago police to disperse and eventually arrest loiterers who had no clear reason to gather, Mr. Obama discussed the issue with unusual thoughtfulness, they say, but gave little sign of who should prevail - the American Civil Liberties Union, which opposed the measure, or the community groups that supported it out of concern about crime.

"He just observed it with a kind of interest," said Daniel Kahan, now a professor at Yale.

Nor could his views be gleaned from scholarship; Mr. Obama has never published any. He was too busy, but also, Mr. Epstein believes, he was unwilling to put his name to anything that could haunt him politically, as Ms. Guinier's writings had hurt her. "He figured out, you lay low," Mr. Epstein said.


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Interesting.... (0.00 / 0)

....I really, really did not agree that the two folks on Hardball looked good the other day which is now PUMA CW. Yes folks we have it also. It's like a skin disease; every political group has it's on CW, normal, nothing to get upset about.

They had a great big spiked club with which to beat the interviewer bloody with; to wit:

'...price they pay for not sweeping the primaries. Hillary Clinton won more popular votes and more delegates in the primaries than Barack Obama.'

Hillary won the popular vote. It's as simple as that. But because 'our' side won't get right up in the face of folks who assert that Barry won we give away our best meme.

'Hillary won the popular vote. She should be the nominee.'

See how that works. Every engaged Dem should be shouting that from the rooftops. Just because the AssClowns on MSNBC say it; don't make it true.

Better interviews (0.00 / 0)
They have both given better interviews, but it was better than I expected considering it was Hardball. They aren't professional talking heads. You have to remember they are ordinary people doing something extraordinary.

I agree that they missed an opportunity to correct Shuster's assertion that Obama won the vote. They also needed to correct the $6 M figure, which was incorrectly attributed to PUMA instead of money raised by PUMA to help Hillary retire her campaign debt. The Confluence has an interesting post about Shuster and who was feeding him his talking points for the interview.  

Alice left me in Wonderland.  

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Excellent observation (0.00 / 0)
and thank you for pointing it out.  

Still Hearting Hillary, In Slo-Mo toward McCain
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"Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what you believe in. When you stumble, keep faith. When you?re knocked down, get right back up. And NEVER listen to anyone who says you can't or shouldn't go on."
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