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NY Times: Key Dems Freakin Over Obama...

by: texan4hillary

Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 17:04:59 PM EDT


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Story in NY Times Sunday should have every dem chattering-worries spread amongst dem leaders about Obama. Governors demands real pin point plans. Not the story camp obama would want so near convention time.

Note who in the party is publically begging Obama to do what he has never been able to do-talk in simple tongue about he will fix the nation's ills. The Gov of Co. Gov of TN etc.. No mention of Hillary here-but the candidate these governors seem to want ain't Obama. He isn't closing the deal although some delude themselves into thinking this is carter vs reagan where in the final few weeks Reagan proved himself in his debate with carter and voter fled to him.

This is not 1980. The party is sticking itself with the wrong nominee who ain't Reagan. Also note what Obama staff is now saying-they promised the moon but now concede they are bogged down in 18 STATES!  They are talking about a point here or there etc..

The Obama camp thinks they have placated Clinton supporters with a sham rollcall. Sen Breaux claims he needs Biden or something. Yeah, right.

Seems to me supers will go along with Obama barring a bombshell in the next 10 days. But a great read about a party on the skids.

texan4hillary :: NY Times: Key Dems Freakin Over Obama...
August 17, 2008
Allies Ask Obama to Make 'Hope' More Specific
By PATRICK HEALY

As Senator Barack Obama prepares to accept the Democratic presidential nomination next week, party leaders in battleground states say the fight ahead against Senator John McCain looks tougher than they imagined, with Mr. Obama vulnerable on multiple fronts despite weeks of cross-country and overseas campaigning.

These Democrats - 15 governors, members of Congress and state party leaders - say Mr. Obama has yet to convert his popularity among many Americans into solutions to crucial electoral challenges: showing ownership of an issue, like economic stewardship or national security; winning over supporters of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton; and minimizing his race and experience level as concerns for voters.

"I particularly hope he strengthens his economic message - even Senator Obama can speak more clearly and specifically about the kitchen-table, bread-and-butter issues like high energy costs," said Gov. Ted Strickland of Ohio. "It's fine to tell people about hope and change, but you have to have plenty of concrete, pragmatic ideas that bring hope and change to life."

Or, in the blunter words of Gov. Phil Bredesen, Democrat of Tennessee: "Instead of giving big speeches at big stadiums, he needs to give straight-up 10-word answers to people at Wal-Mart about how he would improve their lives."

Obama advisers say . . . his agreement to a roll-call vote on Mrs. Clinton's candidacy at the convention should bring her disappointed supporters into the fold.

Yet these advisers also acknowledge that the Obama phenomenon - the candidacy that helped inspire record voter registrations and turnout during the primaries - has come down to earth in a divided, economically stressed nation. Even though political analysts say that the economic conditions favor the Democrats in this election, and Mr. Bush's unpopularity could hurt Republicans, Mr. Obama has not broken away from Mr. McCain in polling - a reflection, in part, of the huge numbers of undecided voters across party lines.

"Democrats should take a deep breath and realize that there are a group of voters who won't make up their mind about a candidate until deep in the fall," said David Plouffe, Mr. Obama's campaign manager. "And there are 18 states that are battlegrounds for a reason, and they'll be decided by 2 to 4 points. I don't care about national polls."

The McCain campaign has sought to turn Mr. Obama's celebrity against him by portraying the freshman senator as out of his depth in crises like Russia's invasion of Georgia. As Mr. Obama was in Hawaii last week, Mr. McCain presented himself as a man-at-the-ready, opining daily about Russia, as well as repeatedly invoking action verbs like "drill" in pledging to address high fuel prices.

. . .Many Democrats pointed to the election of 1980 when voters, choosing between a relatively inexperienced former governor, Ronald Reagan, and an unpopular incumbent, Jimmy Carter, finally flocked to Mr. Reagan at the end after resolving whatever qualms they had about him.

"I think Senator Obama is a motivational speaker, but at the end of the day I don't think that will translate into votes, and certainly not the image of strength that Ronald Reagan had," said Jim Greer, the chairman of the Florida Republican Party.

In response, several Democrats said that choosing a seasoned party leader as his running mate would help Mr. Obama in the fall if he is unable to fully allay voters' uncertainty that a one-term senator is ready for the presidency.

"The one area he still needs credibility in is experience, and picking an Evan Bayh or a Joe Biden as vice president would help a lot with that," said John B. Breaux, a former Democratic senator from Louisiana. "It wouldn't be bad if he came out early and said who his secretary of defense and secretary of state would be - that would address and stabilize the concerns about his experience."

"In rural parts of Georgia and the South, there is still some fear about people who look different from themselves," Ms. Kidd said. "And there's also healing left to do among women who wanted to see the day that a woman was elected president,"

Mr. Bredesen, of Tennessee, said that while the Democrats had little chance of carrying his state - the Obama camp is sending Mr. Bredesen to campaign in other states - Mr. Obama could still take steps to appeal to undecided Democrats there that might increase his chances elsewhere.

Gov. Bill Ritter of Colorado, the host of next week's Democratic National Convention, said Mr. Obama needed to hone and amplify his plan to create more jobs if he wants to woo undecided independent voters, who make up the largest bloc of the electorate in the swing state.

much more:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08...

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Obama: be courageous, step aside. (0.00 / 0)
You will be hailed as THE new politician if you step aside, agree to be Hillary's veep, say the party made a mistake and she is our true nominee.

Obama: you will go down in history as an absolute hero. IF you step aside. This has NEVER been done. You can do this at your mile high stadium. Your supporters will be confused but they will follow you anywhere.


I agree. Please, Barack; step aside. (0.00 / 0)
For the good of the United States of America, step aside, Senator Obama.  You are not ready for this tough job at this time.  Be a real man, and admit that you are not up to the task, and step aside -- or take the Vice Presidency, I don't care.  But please, let the person who can lead the country have the chance to do so, and back her all the way -- that person, in case you haven't yet guessed, is Hillary Rodham Clinton.

But if you persist in your belief that you will win in November, you will go down as one of the biggest losers in American politics . . . hardly the legacy you wanted to leave to either your children or African-Americans as a whole.

There's no excuse for this, DNC.  None.


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(Yes! Let's appeal to his ego, it's the only way) (0.00 / 0)
Think of your legacy, Barry. Do you want to go down in history as a hero (who stepped aside), or a nobody (who lost an election that should have been a shoo-in)?

It's your choice!!  


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lol!~ (0.00 / 0)
Obama advisers say . . . his agreement to a roll-call vote on Mrs. Clinton's candidacy at the convention should bring her disappointed supporters into the fold.

They're kidding, right?


it's a start (0.00 / 0)
they undid it though, by continuing to pressure her delegates to vote for him, so it was close but no cigar. There is a lot he could do though, but, will he, can he?  

Hillary - alternative energy

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Roll Call (0.00 / 0)
You do understand that Democracy does not depend upon Obama's approval and "agreement to a roll-call vote on Mrs. Clinton's candidacy", right?

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He undid the goodwill from that gesture (0.00 / 0)
by dragging it out for so long. He should have seen it was inevitable, and come out for it right away, and ushered his followers to support her in the roll-call vote.

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yes (0.00 / 0)
I think he's too obsessional, and has some fatal flaw that will make him throw the election to McCain.  I think he can win only if it's handed to him, by some father figure, but if he has to compete against a man, I think he can't win.  He's brought his own poll numbers down by saying things unclearly that did not need to be said at all, and by showcasing the wrong people to reach out to. he could win by acclamation, but maybe not by votes. He shoots himself in the foot.  

Hillary - alternative energy

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Roll Call (0.00 / 0)
Is it not our Constitutional Right to have a full and fair Roll-Call Vote at the Convention in Denver!?   What is everyone afraid of?  Floor fight works for me.

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too little from Obama, not too late for Hillary (0.00 / 0)
That's a line I borrowed from Marc Rubin of Tom In Pain to indicate that a sham can still be turned to advantage. It seems Obama replaced a number of Hillary delegates over the last few months, as many as a hundred or more. That may be giving him confidence to go ahead with the roll call. If Hillary is forced to release her delegates, she should make it clear she is releasing her delegates with the expectation that Obama is also releasing his delegates and that everyone will vote for what is best for the country. Also, during nominating speeches an appeal can be made that delegates do soul searching and vote their conscience. It may still be possible to come up with a Clinton/Obama ticket. (Someone please slap me awake,lol)

Still Hearting Hillary, In Slo-Mo toward McCain

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Excellent comment. (0.00 / 0)

Should be a diary.  Can you expand on that theme of demanding BO release his delegates, and write it up and crosspost it!

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yep (0.00 / 0)
u see-a sham rollcall-which will become very clear now-is a propganda tool by obama. it aint a vote in any real sense. she is prhbited from taking it down for the fight.  these guvs are crying for a candidate who can speak to the people on their terms. well quit cryin and start psuhign for hillary

the editorials (0.00 / 0)
say neither McCain nor Obama has addressed the real issues and need to. All Barack has to do is go into the Hillary archives and get her solutions for America plans and also the experts and professionals she had as her advisors on policy and foreign affairs.  It's ready for him to steal, and if he does the unity thing and asks her onto the ticket, it won't even be theft. Hillary can brief him on debating John McCain, she studied all the pug candidates, she knows what they've said and done, and she can 'fact check' without crib notes.  

of course it would be fantastic if he'd again admit, as he candidly did before Kennedy and Kerry talked him into a premature run by explaining he'd be running against a girl they wanted to get rid of and he'd probably never get such a chance again, that he isn't ready and the nation needs the best candidate we have.  he could take the training position, if he does it fast he'll have a chance to do some on the job learning and show what it's like for politicians who put the people ahead of their own personal power ambitions.  Fat chance, but he could at least steal her solutions and staffing recommendations, and her, she's unlikely to turn the VP job down, she always does what's best for us, with her it has nothing to do with ego, and everything to do with the crappy state of the world and opportunities that won't be around forever.  

The argument against Hillary on the ticket is the argument for losing.  

Hillary - alternative energy


Say What? (0.00 / 0)
Steal her solutions and staffing recommendations?  Really?!  Looks like Hillary should just be the Democratic nominee and the next President of the United States.

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they name names here (0.00 / 0)
the thing about this whole article is folsk comming forward NOT ANONYMOUSLY and speaking up abut what obama isnt doing. the thing is he hasnt ever been abe to do what they want. maybe some ltters need to go to these folks and tell them to pick hillary. these are bigwigs too-breauz, ritter etc not small fries. this article could be sed in a great way to supers. that is what im doing tonight. the leaders of the party tell the freakin times obama basically is NOT cutting it. let us hope next week is as rough on obama as the past weeks....

Before the convention, no less. (0.00 / 0)
Before a convention with some noisy PUMAs they don't want encouraged (or maybe they do?)

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yes (0.00 / 0)
I assume before going public they talked with him and were not satisfied with his responses.  Texan4 made a great observation, it is telling that we know who they are this time, as if they no longer fear retribution by the Barack Brigade.  He'd better be able to present a plan that can win, and now I think he didn't tell them he would ask Hillary, or he said he might, but might not.  I guess winning isn't as important to some as it is to normal people who need jobs and health care and want their kids back from war.  

Hillary - alternative energy

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roll call vote: (0.00 / 0)
Rep. Sanchez now says at least half of House delegates will be voting for Hillary.

"I felt she was the most experienced and the best candidate and I still feel that way."

http://www.politico.com/news/s...

headsup though:

Obama's decision to accept a roll call vote, which came after weeks of talks with the Clinton camp, doesn't mean he'll let the process get out of hand, observers say.

"The convention is about nominating Barack, so his people want to speed through the vote as fast as possible so it won't take too much TV time," said a Democratic delegate who plans to vote for Clinton. "They also want to avoid a scenario where she's leading at any point."

(He's not going to let the process get out of hand! Guess He's a control-freak.)


those are mainly the (0.00 / 0)
undecided's, those who are seeking reelection every two years and feared coming out too soon.  At least half, may be more than half, and if it's more than half and her delegates stick with her, she's going to be a very close second or win it outright.  

Hillary - alternative energy

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People who look different than themselves (0.00 / 0)
that from Ms. Kidd, in the same cycle where Dean said the Republicans "are the white party".  Jeez.  At last people are beginning to catch on to the empty suit (on my best days ) aka the Chicago thug (on my days where I know what's happening).  We should be having Dean's ___ on a silver salver.
For what it's worth, I am no longer welcome on Jake Tapper's ABC blog.  I had no idea I had such cachet.  Let's hear it for ME.

This is what I was talking about when I was banned at... (0.00 / 0)

.....Open Left, Crooks & Liars, TalkLeft, Corrente, FireDogLake. Yep, I pointed out that McSame would mop the floor with the inept Barry.

Nobody wanted to hear that. The were So insistent on NOT hearing me that they banned me. One problem with that....

You cannot ban reality. Frankly, at this point the best outcome might be Barry being the nominee and getting crushed 'Dukakis style'.

Then we can start to clean out the knot of toads that squat in our Congress.

Doing nothing except for:

Lining their pockets with taxpayer cash...

Appointing religious nutballs to every position they can...

Voting repeatedly to dismantle our Constitution....

Supporting the mass-murder going on in our illegal occupation of Iraq...

And on and on....

Be a nice thing to fumigate the DNC also. Both these things the elimination of the corrupt in Congress and the destruction of what Howie and Donna hath wrought would be made a lot easier if Barkey got his ass handed to him in the GE. The Democratic Caucus has been very nervous about Senator El Foldo for a while and if he can't win THIS YEAR, YEAH THIS FUCKIN'' YEAR, Miss Nancy and Howie will be asked to commit seppeku. I volunteer to be their kaishakunin.

Seriously, Miss Nancy, Reid, Schumer, Emmanuel, Kerry, Kennedy they have got to go if our nation is to survive. That's right survive. These same 'Democat' Party 'leaders' have been in place for 30 years while real per capita income has declined. While the government has repeatedly bailed out folks who got in over their heads in the 'free market...; while our infrastructure, built just post-WWII by real Democrats like Edmund G. Brown, rots away before a apathetic 'citizenry'. While our educational system, once the envy of the world, has decayed into a massively dysfunctional wasteland that cranks out 'citizens'. Citizens, who not only cant' read very good...they don't want to. Perfect for the corporate slave state's needs, eh?

The government under Bush has been a disaster and the last two years what has the 'Democrat' Party Lead$hip been doing?

Helping him.

Make no mistake I'd rather have Hillary. I do believe she'd clean house and kick some Dino ass but I think the brain rot and corruption, see DiFi...Schumer, Pelosi....is too deeply entrenched.

Three cheers for a knock-down, kick him in his nuts, all-out....

FLOOR FIGHT!

The Hill for 'Leader of the Hill', 'Accept Nothing Less, than The Best.'


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