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Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 21:40:59 PM EDT
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No.
As Atrios says, this is another episode of simple answers to simple questions.
I find it funny that the netroots is twisting itself into a pretzel again, in order to rationalize Obama's position on FISA capitulation. John Cole equates FISA to a poker hand, and there was a hilarious dkos comment, courtesy of Anna Belle (No, I won't link to dkos, just to Anna's comment):
It is a progressive stance with a dash of pragmatism. It is actually the direction I was hoping he would take it.
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| ghost2 :: Could FISA Capitulation Have Happened Without Obama's Knowledge And Direction? |
Big Tent Democrat had a post yesterday, titled Why We Fight, quoting Glenn Greenwald:
The excuse that Obama's support for this bill is politically shrewd is -- even if accurate -- neither a defense of what he did nor a reason to refrain from loudly criticizing him for it. Actually, it's the opposite. It's precisely because Obama is calculating that he can -- without real consequence -- trample upon the political values of those who believe in the Constitution and the rule of law that it's necessary to do what one can to change that calculus. Telling Obama that you'll cheer for him no matter what he does, that you'll vest in him Blind Faith that anything he does is done with the purest of motives, ensures that he will continue to ignore you and your political interests.
(Emphasis supplied by BTD)
Here was my reply to Big Tent Democrat and Glenn Greenwald:
This is not only Pelosi's position, but also Obama's position.
You are naive if you think the compromise happened without the knowledge of Obama, and he is issuing a statement after the fact. That cannot be.
An expolosive, controversial issue like this could hamper the nominee. Why would Pelosi bring it up now?
Note carefully. It's the quiet time. Reporters mad at Hillary Clinton for prolonging the primary have just now gotten their vacations. It's summer, just before 4th of July. What better time to throw Campaign Finance, FISA under the bus?
Superdelegates LOVE the money networks Obama has and are drooling at the prospect of that money. He is even careful and not issuing fundraising emails for anyone, b/c that means some cherished donors will also end up on somebody else's big email list. That's his ace, and he is not letting go of it.
Remember, the first thing that came for Obama was MONEY. You'd think that network of bundlers, lobbyists, and corporate bosses with connections didn't expect anything in return?
Obama will throw a lot of people under the bus, but he is too smart of a politician to throw his money backers there. That won't happen.
FISA and immunity were the first thing delivered by Obama. You, Glenn and everyone else can ignore that at your peril.
Well, just so you don't think I am crazy, Here is a quote from the great Digby herself, which she wrote on Friday, and I saw after I had posted the above:
I do know this: they would not have made this "compromise" and then brought this to the floor without his ok, and probably without his direction. He is the leader of the Democratic Party now, in the middle of a hotly contested presidential campaign. If he didn't come to them and say to get this thing done before the fall, then they came to him and asked his permission. That's just a fact. They aren't going to do anything he doesn't want them to do.
So, it's not really a capitulation. It's a strategy.
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"Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what you believe in. When you stumble, keep faith. When you?re knocked down, get right back up. And NEVER listen to anyone who says you can't or shouldn't go on."
Hillary Clinton - June 7, 2008
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